When did Libre Office Writer accessibility become freaking fantastic?

By Voracious P. Brain, 18 October, 2025

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Over the years, I've downloaded, tried, and discarded Libre Office several times. I do remember last time that they were making noises about beginning to take screen reader accessibility seriously, but holy moley have they upped their game! If any of you have given it a really deep dive, let me know if you've encountered any gotchas. I'm itching to cancel my 365 subscription, since all I use now that I'm not in an enterprise setting is Word and a few hundred unnecessary gigs of OneDrive. Following an afternoon messing with it, here are observations:

  • Menus! Good old fashioned menus! The last time MS office was this usable was version 2000 or 2003.
  • The navigator is a dream, unlike the Word equivalent. Everything is in an expandable tree view: headings, links, comments, references, you name it. It's like the elements list--the JAWS version, not NVDA, but no read-only browse mode necessary.
  • Find and Replace, which is also far more usable than word, allows advanced regexp searches and searching by paragraph styles, so things like next/prev heading level 2.
  • Record those sorts of things as macros and bind them to keystrokes, and you've got the equivalent of browse mode without a virtual read-only buffer. I accomplished the same thing in Word, but needed to resort to much more complex coding, because Word's GoTo options aren't as powerful.
  • Speaking of coding, you can script macros in Python in addition to Libre's version of BASIC.
  • It reports styles, page numbers, and misspelled words, probably using UIA or IA2, so that NVDA now announces them as usual.
  • There are so many back-channel hints for screen reader users that it's almost to a fault, particularly since some of the instructions are inaccurate and interfere with hearing the actual form control value.
  • Inserting page numbers is as easy as it darn well ought to be. Word has made it one of the most frustrating things in existence.
  • I have a manuscript template that needs to start headings on a new page two inches from the top margin. In Word, this required a hack that draws a text box around the heading, which will doubtless break when opened in a different program. In writer, it's not a problem.
  • I have .docx set to the default file format. According to Copilot, comments, including author and timestamp, will transfer properly to Word, with a few minor/rare limitations. That's my litinis test.
  • It uses the same superior spelling engine as Google. Word used to have a supernaturally good spell check. Somehow, it got a lot worse a few years ago. Others have had the same experience.
  • In general, Writer just seems to have intelligent options, is lighter weight, and is way, way more usable than Word has been since Microsoft Office 2000. At least, from what I've gotten out of it thus far. Again, I'm looking for recent counter experiences.

What 365 offers that Libre doesn't: - I don't consider Calc accessible, because it doesn't expose a way for NVDA to assign column and row headers. I haven't tried any of the other apps. - I'd miss the fantastic Microsoft neural voice built into Word for reading aloud. It's even better than what's available for Narrator. - I can have a document in Word open on both my computers at once and have edits sync in realtime via OneDrive. - The Word status bar allows navigation by field and easy customization (Writer's status bar can be read but not navigated).

So far, that's all I can think of. Thunderbird has gotten really good, too, so I'm really looking forward to limiting my Microsoft exposure to the operating system. I've really felt of late that they're at war with keyboard users. Their devs just won't put down the mouse. Or maybe Copilot is writing the scode these days: I can tell you, it does not generate accessible code or promote it until explicitly told to do so.

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By KE8UPE on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 02:19

Hi,
I'll try this out tomorrow, but my main question is why haven't they made mobile apps?
I'm almost always on the go & having mobile versions of the Microsoft Office apps is great, but what about alternatives, like LibreOffice?

By Voracious P. Brain on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 03:25

Point 1: same reason there's not an NVDA for mobile or Mac. It's developed by a community of volunteers, and they have all they can handle. It's open source, though, so anyone who wants to do it can, except that it would require a total rewrite in Swift.
Edit: well, ok, it's windows/mac/linux software written largely in C++. I suppose it could be spun out for IOS. But the point remains that it would be a heavier lift than the community has found worthwhile.
Which brings us to point 2....
Point 2. Libre isn't an ecosystem. It's a piece of Windows software. Any stand-alone IOS text editor not locked down to ICloud and a proprietary file format could do the job brilliantly. It doesn't need to be branded Libre. What's crazy is how hard it is to find a simple IOS text editor that can open a .txt file, much less .docx (which is an open format) without requiring ICloud or adding things to a proprietary library. It's the simplest thing in the world if only someone wanted to do it.
When I've tried Word mobile, it didn't have a single one of the features I listed and wasn't even as capable as OneNote (which is pretty capable, actually). I'm sure it's improved; but, at the time, it was useless from my perspective for anything more than a really short simple document, and, again, a free text editor that's like Notepad for IOS would be better, particularly given that Windows Notepad now does basic formatting using Markdown. Apple Notes now also imports/exports to Markdown, which makes it a free option, but cumbersome. Finally, Libre Writer is starting to have Markdown support, so there's a cross-platform potential. IAWriter is an example of a one-time purchase very capable IOS and Mac Markdown editor that doesn't require a library. I think those things point in the right direction for folks wanting to avoid 365 bloat and subscriptions, which doesn't need to be everyone.

By Brian on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 04:06

Hi,
I have questions:
1. Is Libre Office a valid replacement for Microsoft Word? Consider professional use.
2. What version of Thunderbird are you using?
3. Is Apple notes available for windows?
4. Is there an Excel alternative that is open source? (I am aware of Google sheets, not looking for web apps however)

If you cannot tell, I am trying to pull away from the Office chain-gang altogether.

By SeasonKing on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 09:20

Not only to leabra office devs, but also to screen reader devs. At least in case of NVDA, in lot of recent releases, there has been mentions of improovements to support for leabra office. So, I guess someone did thought of taking these things seriously.
NVDA seriously needs to work on it's excel support though, it's laggy, frustrating and sometimes providing wrong information completely.
If the counterpart sheets software in leabra office offers better support, i might just get it onboarded in my company's software catalogue for us to use.

By Voracious P. Brain on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 15:56

I jumped up and down with excitement too fast. Tried some more stuff just now.
- Table navigation doesn't work, which I was expecting, but you can convert table to text and vice-versa, editing as plain text. I used to do that in Word anyway.
- Turns out comments are not accessible.
- I can't navigate to the footer area where the page numbers are. I suspect adding a running header would also be inaccessible (I couldn't figure out how to add one: the header menu only includes page number). It's possible I could be missing something, but I can't think of anything.
- When inserting a footnote, there's no way I can find to navigate back to the document without using the navigator, which only takes me to a heading or bookmark, etc. When trying to navigate back to the footnote text, I can't. The navigator takes me to where the reference is. The footnote number is not accessible, either.
Even all these things not withstanding, on the topic of professional use, keep in mind sharepoint and simultaneous collaborative editing, which Writer won't do.
I might still use Writer for my draft, because why not? But looks like the 365 subscription stays or will end up being restarted later.

By Voracious P. Brain on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 15:59

on 2, the latest version of Thunderbird. Nothing new to report from the prior thread on Windows email clients. Sorry you had problems getting it up and running, but I think they were glitches rather than show-stoppers. Apologies if it wasn't you I'm remembering on that thread. Since you mention professional contexts, remember that it's limited on that score.
On 3, No, but if you have a Microsoft Exchange account, there's a basic integration with Outlook, which of course defeats the point. Apple is the kingpin of locking users into its ecosystem. I suppose you could use it online. I've tried like the dickens to find a way of getting some kind of cross-platform Notes alternative or integration to no ultimate avail. OneNote is a behemoth and too glitchy on Windows. When I tried Google docs last night, rotoring down by line separated the last character of the line onto a separate line (up by line worked fine), which is a problem I vaguely remember in IOS Ulysses using a keyboard, too, making it likely an Apple bug) I tried a lot of other stuff, too, like Drafts.
On 4, Except for the noted issue with headers, Calc looked promising. And, NVDA devs are well aware of the issue. It could be scripted around in Libre, I'm almost positive, and NVDA already accesses Word's object model for its implementation, so I think it's just a matter of doing something similar in Calc. I can also imagine a python script that could bind arrow keys to a routine that determined headers and voiced them through SAPI. I have some self-voicing macros I wrote in Word (by I, I mean Copilot). But to your point, I really doubt it. It's not easy to make a spreadsheet accessible, and I doubt it can be done without considerable work from the screen reader.

By Zach M on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 16:55

I was glad to hear about Libre's newfound accessibility until the gotchas. I also would love to move away from word. However, I love its speed, plus I love oneDrive. However, here's my problem. I want to find a decent app that is cross platform with iOS and windows. Plus, on iOS, it can't screw up with a braille display; pages, word, and google docs seem to be most aggregious, with braille displays. I do miss Ulysses when I had a mac because that was one of the only text editors I could use without braille displays having a fit. To document my braille display issues in most writing apps, I try to put my cursor somewhere to edit or add something, and it either jumps, adds more gibberish, lags, or a combination of the three. And Word also comes up with some sort of braille display message with speling predictions or whatever else it decides to do. I'm just sick of writing on iOS. I also tried an app called pretext, which is about the lightest markdown and text editor I can find on iOS. It has a deep integration with the files app, that's how you open documents, and it has a simple and accessible interface. It's a darn shame braille displays still don't like it. I've had this issue on basically every iPhone I've used. This is using a bluetooth braille display. I haven't done a lot of thorough testing with USB C. Anyway, enough of my ramblings for one day.

By Voracious P. Brain on Sunday, October 19, 2025 - 17:59

I'm unreasonably tenacious when it means I can procrastinate the actual writing. Turns out the Navigator pane is even more useful than I thought. There's a comprehensive context menu you can pull down on footnotes and comments to edit/delete/jump to, which is the way I found to toggle between footnote/comment text and the document. On headings, it allows moving sections up/down, too. All super straight-forward. Better UX than Word.
When inserting a comment, the text area is initially innaccessible. alt-tabbing away and back seems to do the trick to get at the comment text you're typing. The comment anchor seems to appear in the document as a non-Unicode character that isn't read, so it's a blank character. you therefore won't know from arrowing down that there's a comment, but you can use the Navigator, and fortunately fomments and footnotes appear as truncated versions of their text. So, I think it'll be pretty doable.
To see footnote numbers, check the option to show formatting marks.
I think that actually covers everything I'm likely to need--again, unless/until I go back to teaching; and, even then, I'll have free access to 365. I guarantee there are other gotchas, like knowing where images are inserted, but I don't do that for personal use.
In fairness, comments, footnotes, and headers/footers are far from straight-forward in Word. I spent half an hour getting page numbers into my template, and I'm still not positive they're in the right place.
Tangent alert:
I much prefer markdown, to the point I spent a month designing my absolute dream markdown editor--just a concept document. My plan is to wait until A.I. can do 90% of the coding while I learn enough Python to cover the debugging etc. I'm guessing a year might do the trick. The exciting part is that it would use inter-process communication to pipe information directly through a back channel to an NVDA add-on. Increasingly, I'm coming to the conclusion that if we want something done right for us, we have to do it ourselves. Accessibility is sliding all over the place as the pioneers retire and Gen Z and A.I. take their place as coders and PMs, IMO.
Unfortunately, Copilot is currently awful at coding, counter-intuitively enough. In fact, for every research question I throw at it, it's right about everything except everything I fact check. That's another discussion, though.

By Voracious P. Brain on Monday, October 20, 2025 - 03:03

On the cross-platform simple notes solution front, Pretext does the trick for me. All I needed was a way to scribble my grocery list on Windows and take it to the store, plus similar simple tasks. The integration with Files as a default app is perfect, and the html preview of markdown a plus. I wish I knew what the touted "comprehensive keyboard shortcuts" were: there's no documentation, and hitting command key combinations does nothing.

By TheBlindGuy07 on Monday, October 20, 2025 - 03:40

I might be completely wrong here, but I think LibreOffice Writer recent accessibility is largely due to Matt Campbell work funded by stf in Europe when he modernized or layd the ground to a modern accessibility infrastructure on linux. LibreOffice Writer has been mentioned in the report many times, so it makes sense that their work went cross platform.
Anyone more clever than me, feel free to correct.
All in all happy to hear that!
Yeah, QT and VoiceOver on mac is still difficult.

By Panais on Monday, October 20, 2025 - 05:55

Currently my partner and I are using MS word to write and edit. Often we are also working on the same document at the same time, since we have everything stored on OneDrive. would I still be able to do that if I started using Libre office and my partner stuck with word?

By Jason White on Monday, October 20, 2025 - 17:11

The next release of LibreOffice Writer is expected to import/export Markdown files, a potentially very useful feature.

I find that LibreOffice, which I use under Linux, makes Windows even less necessary than it already was.

By Chris on Monday, October 20, 2025 - 22:56

I'm sad LibreOffice is still missing the ability to use NVDA Browse Mode and/or Orca's structural navigation to let you jump around the document by headings, links, read tables, etc. This seems to be a problem with LibreOffice from what the Orca developer told me. I know we have the navigation mode with F5, but it would be useful to have this quicker navigation as well.