Two casual voiceover hot takes for you

By TheBlindGuy07, 30 January, 2025

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1. Voiceover on the mac is as bad as the french language (speaking from experience), there is no rule, just exception. (I speak it and am formally allowed by the oqlf or académie française to make fun of the french language in english as it's a sensitive topic)
2. The original developer of VO was using emacs all along to code VO for mac, so the 4-5 fingers shortcuts and the subsequent pain is his revenge on us poor blind users. Then single key quick nav for the web was reluctantly added by another dev using vim but the first guy didn't like vim so he made this feature unreliable.
😂
Let me know what you think! I know that the second one is way more accessible to a broader public.

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By Holy Diver on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

So I shouldn't be saying anything, I've barely touched MACS and my experience with Emax mostly involves a few minutes of frustration and profanity. I've been meaning to give it more time for years, I don't doubt it's powerful. Anyway, I think this speaks to a broader problem with screen readers and the web. Lock users into a good quick nav virtual pc cursor browse mode style thing and they'll struggle with site specific keyboard shortcuts, make it something kind of clunky you have to enable and routine web browsing is so much harder. I don't really know how that balance works on macs but funnily enough I think google came closest to getting it right with chromevox, again just for the web, but most people don't know or care. Anyways, the TLDR is this was probably a pointless comment haha.

By TheBlindGuy07 on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

It was pointless. Agree with chromevox is quite incredible on the web. But you ruined my joke and for this I am mad at you. Anyone, please? I'll post this on r/blind too. It's very important! I know you all agree with me. I thank you for your deep understanding of the subject.

By Holy Diver on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

I barely got the joke haha, I just know eMax broke my brain. It does seem like a pickle on the web though, didn't mean to rain on your parade.

By Holy Diver on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

Appologies, you just reminded me of this issue with screen readers on the web which really does seem like quite the catch 22. Anyways, if I'm too dense for the joke wouldn't that just make it funnier for more discerning folks? :)

By Brian on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

There is only a small group of people who may, or may not, even get this joke, or reference.
Ergo, you have failed. 😞

By Oliver on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

Just leaving a comment to say I didn't get the joke and I think it's inappropriate to joke about such deadly serious things. Humour and laughter on apple vis will be its downfall... I shake my head at you lot... Fun is not allowed.

By TheBlindGuy07 on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

Was this sarcasm? I crossposted this on reddit if it's a problem in any case.

By jim pickens on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

A cross person, you say? Well, I do think you crossed one line too many with that comment. After all, humor in any way, shape, or form isn't allowed. And if I'm not wrong, I'm starting to see sparks of a pun.

By Brian on Sunday, February 2, 2025 - 22:53

Oliver, is, a pun.
True story. 😇

By Oliver on Sunday, February 9, 2025 - 22:53

It is. Friends call me The Punisher... Well, if I had any friends... I don't.

By Brad on Sunday, February 9, 2025 - 22:53

OK, let's do this!

I don't speak French, I learnt a bit in school but that's as far as it goes but come on!

There's a small word called de, d, e, it means of, apart from when it doesn't!

The, easy word, right? The trees, the French, the frustration with said French language, easy; right? No, of course not, silly English speakers, we 'ave, le, the, la, the, les, the... Why? Well, the "french" speakers will tell you that it's something to do with something I can't be bothered to research, me? They hate us, that's it.

And then there's the formal and informal way of saying you, vous, vu, and, tu, why are there two ways of saying you, and do the French actually care, find out next on, Brad doesn't actually have french friends to ask!

Oh, and then there's gendering things, why, why must objects be gendered?

Then there's the songs... Like OMG guys! The songs! They're like totally rad!

For example, examblaaah, see, I knows french, there's this song about a little kid right, so this little kid is on this boat with these other people, and these other people are religious or something, so they're like, oh crap, we're like totally hungry and there's like no food dudes!

They then realise something!

There's this little kid, all being little and kid like, on the boat, right? SO they realise, they can eat him!

So they like totally talk about how to cook him and stuff!

Oh and the best part, it's a kids song! Best worst language ever.

I want to speak it just so I can know more songs like this, they're awesome!

By Tayo on Sunday, February 9, 2025 - 22:53

my (nonexistent_ sense of humor is to blame. Which language is so riddled with inconsistencies that to speak it formally is to know despair and heartache for all eternity? Why, it's the Queen's English, of course. Monoglots of the world unite! Now, I'm going to perform an arcane gesture on my phone that might do something, or maybe it's the same gesture that does something else? Oh well