Questions about MuseScore for macOS

I didn't think it could. I've tried to submit feedback regarding this, hoever that has gone noware and fast.

I think sarah meant that this application cannot be used by blind/visually-impaired people.

I don't know of any really accessible ones aside from lillypond. And that, unfortunately, doesn't allow you to hook up a midi controller and put notes in like that. Wish it did.

MuseScore 2.0.3 comes with NVDA support on Windows for both playing and creating scores. We have two tutorials on the topic: https://musescore.org/en/node/120426 and https://musescore.org/en/node/113581

I have heard feedback that it also works for VoiceOver, but I can't confirm. It would be great to find out more from you. So let me know if it works or doesn't work for you.

This NVDA tutorial looks amazing. Even if it doesn't work with VO (which would be awesome) it's still great news for those of us who have access to Windows as well.

Question: How well does MuseScore handle auto-formatting of scores? Particular concerns would be ensuring that notes above or below the staff don't overlap with lyrics, dynamics/articulations, and other ledger notes from different staves. A long time ago, before I discovered Lilypond, I was using an older score editor called Lime, but I had to have a sighted person go through every score with a fine-toothed comb because it didn't have very good automation for score formatting. Lilypond seems to handle this beautifully, though, and it's very important for a blind user to have confidence that their score will come out looking legible and professional, without a lot of sighted proofreading. Does anyone have experience with this?

Also, the tutorial doesn't make any specific mention of adding articulations, dynamics, and so on. Is this also accessible via the keyboard? If I want to make a note staccato, or stick a fermata on it, or decide where dynamic marks or hairpins begin and end, can I do that as well?

Needless to say, the has me very excited, because as much as I love people's responses to the scores Lilypond produces, I've been dying for a better input method.

I can't wait to test this with VO. I love lilypond but I don't have time to always sing the note I want and make sure it matches with what is in my head. I can't go that high. Lol! I don't have much time to test with voiceover right now, but being that I do arrange a lot of choral music, I want to get that published one day, I would love an easier solution that won't cause me to pull my hair out, or what little I have left.

I can say this much.. Muse score is coded using QT which is not known for accessibility, In fact it's a bare to use programs coded with QT. And no I'm not talking about quick time. Why can't developers use swift or coco as those have accessibility hooks. You cannot enter the number of measures and the time signature thing is very hard to use. After score creation I cant' see the score, that is, voiceover does not tell me the staves I'm on. In this case I'm working with SATB and piano. I normally write the piano line first then work on the choral parts later. I hope this gets better as this does show some promise.

Hi KE7ZUM, MuseScore is indeed build on Qt. So we stand on their shoulders for accessibility.

As for the NVDA tutorials, how much of those tutorials work for VO as well? Would you have some general advice on things we can improve, or fix low hanging fruit?

The time signature stepper doesn't read at all, I hard incrementing and decrementing, but I can't see any of the stuff I'm increasing and decreasing. Also the same goes with the number of measures in a piece. I can't see how many I put in when moving the slider. I'll take a look at the nvda stuff and see what I can m come up with later on.

The time signature stepper is totally broken. I can't read a thing to know what my top number will be.. The same applies to the measure section. I would go over the NVDA tutorials but The same is with the other NVDA tutorial link. Maybe I broke something, I'll try again later.

remember that I'm no way a moderator or anything like that, but I must say NVDA and Windows in general is quite out of the scope of this Forum's intent. While Bootcamp can be used to get NVDA going to use this software, it's more hoops than many may be able to jump through.
Back on topic, I'd be most interested in having Voiceover support on this, as I'd fancy a return to music composition.

HI dharmaputra, You may find all shortcuts at https://musescore.org/en/handbook/keyboard-shortcuts In particular the note input shortcuts such as note duration can be found at https://musescore.org/en/handbook/keyboard-shortcuts#duration

Hello all:
THe only thing that makes me use the VMware on my mac is the Sibelius software, as there is no other choice on mac for us.
Thanks

I personally cannot get note entry to work with voiceover. I've switched to symphony for iOs for now, if I can figure out how to do 5 notes to the quarter that would be nice, but I'll post that question in the symphony topic.

I hope it will be ready soon.

I know that they did a lot of work wiht nvda and 3.0 ini fact the article is out of date. I'm hoping that they also made the key dialogue accessible and the mote editor as well. I really want to get this piece written and sung, not by me though. But at leas twritten and published.

Hello!
Mey be some of you have any impressions about accessibility latest versions with Voiceover? Something was change for us?

Last time I tried that software, I didn't really like it that much... that was about two years ago... I wonder how improved the software is.

Amusing sibelius to create all my scores, however i'll be happy if Musescore will work to save more money, for sure sibelius is the most advanced app, but if musescore will work, so, why not?

I use it on windows. I forgot ot save myh last projectg so looks like I need to start over, again. Bleh.

Is it still in beta or we can try it ?

To my knowledge, muse score 4 is still in beta, but you can beta test I believe.

Hello Everyone,

I have just tried the MuseScore 4 which released about a week. It is partially accessible with Voiceover. There are something confusing. You might take some time to get familiar with it, but it is a good start. I believe they will do better in the future.

In addition, I think the new sound library "Muse Sounds" is very good.

Here is the link from the MuseScore website.

https://musescore.org/en/4.0

Thanks for reading.

Here's a bit from the transcript: "9 minutes, 16 seconds As well as all the accessibility features ...like focus states ...and screen reader support ...
I had no idea that music scoring was so incredibly challenging. It really looks like the design team is concerned about Accessibility. There must be a number of screen Reader users that they know about.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qct6LKbneKQ&feature=shares

I am not a composer but the subject interested me enough to watch it. I now have a better appreciation.

Could someone make a podcast or tutorial as to how to use muse score4 on mac with voiceover? I'm currently switching from Sibelius to muse score, but is there any way for someone who's more familiar with muse score to make a tutorial of at least the basics of using this on mac with voiceover, if possible?

https://youtube.com/@musescore

Yeah it sure is a struggle, getting QT to play nice with all of the screen readers.