Apple just (partially) fixed the Calculator!

By TheBllindGuy07, 15 December, 2024

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Hi!
TLDR: when the cursor would go away from the input area in the calculator on all the versions I had access to since Ventura it was impossible to input a digit or = sign or yet paste and we had to reenter the mode we were on (cmd-1 or cmd-2 for example) on Sonoma and below, or with shift tab and tab on Sequoia. There was also crazy complicated workarounds with cursor tracking off/on... Now we can just vo space on that area to be able to enter numbers normally. So hotspots on the commonly function used (sin, cos...) and another hotspot on the input area, vo-space there and you're good to go! And now on Sequoia (I told them too) it's actually vo announcing the output from the calculator, not this horrible system tts impossible to interrupt (some minor bugs depending on the voice but nothing major). So yeah, it works as it should have been since probably forever!

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By Brian on Monday, December 16, 2024 - 06:56

Is there anything Apple has not broken since Ventura? I swear, I'm going to get trolled for saying this, but I'm so glad I switched operating systems. 🤭🫣

By Holger Fiallo on Monday, December 16, 2024 - 06:56

Love my iPhone, iPad 9 and my watch 9 but windows for me and the cat.

By TheBllindGuy07 on Monday, December 16, 2024 - 06:56

I never said and fully agree that the calculator on windows is insanely good in terms of accessibility and just convenience. Windows has shortcuts everywhere for everything or almost, it's obvious it's the perfect good example of a keyboard first os. But it's the sighted users fault who never learn the shortcuts so mouse is seen as de facto nowadays. Anyways.

By TheBllindGuy07 on Monday, December 16, 2024 - 06:56

But this bug is extremely irritating still. With the item chooser I can go quickly to any of the functions/buttons but I have to click on it, find the input area, click on it and then press = to get the actual result.

By Brian on Monday, December 16, 2024 - 06:56

Sorry if you already said this, but are the hot keys not working for some of the functionality in macOS Calculator?

By TheBllindGuy07 on Monday, December 16, 2024 - 06:56

The calculator has very limited shortcuts compared to the calculator microsoft have on windows where every function or almost has a dedicated shortcut and hence it's very convenient for us blind to use it plus real screen reader support.
The bug which has now a very slight workaround is that for whatever reason since Ventura (first mac owned) whenever you would go out of the input area to click on sin, cos, sqrt... with vo arrows or the trackpad or tab/shift-tab it becomes impossible to type anything with the keyboard, digits, =, etc... Cursor tracking would fix part of this but it was too convoluted even with that. The search function with either command keys was giving very random result to to get quickly on a function, and anyway the bug mentioned above would occur anyway.
On Sequoia the Calculator now has gotten slightly better. It's a shame that nobody on applevis and other blind community never seems to mention that. Okay, I'm a developer too, using python or similar is no problem for me in the terminal or bash itself. But even blind users like guis.
@Applevis community if you know a decent easy to use and accessible (gui) calculator on macos for voiceover users please don't hesitate to mention it here. Desmos calculator is nice on windows where I don't need it but its interface is quite horrible on mac with safari and voiceover as VO is so... difficult with web.

By Mert Ozer on Tuesday, December 17, 2024 - 06:56

I plan to buy a Mac for my college studies and other tasks because of its battery life, performance, operating system, and ecosystem, which are far more reliable compared to Windows. As an HP Spectre x360 2024 owner, I’ve found even the most premium laptops frustrating in these areas. I mean, I paid $1700 for this laptop, yet its speakers produce a cracking noise when they’re too loud, and there are those annoying Windows ads, among other issues.
So, buying a MacBook Pro seems like the best option for me, although I wish it were as reliable in terms of accessibility. Anyway, I hope I can be just as productive as a Mac user. I’d say I’m pretty good at understanding new concepts, so fingers crossed that macOS and VoiceOver will be in good shape when I actually start using a Mac.

By Brian on Tuesday, December 17, 2024 - 06:56

Windows does have their arm chipsets nowadays. Just so you know, there are choices. 😃👍

By TheBllindGuy07 on Thursday, December 19, 2024 - 21:56

Correction, the fix mentioned here also apply to 15.1.1, so all subsequent versions.

By Blade Runner on Thursday, December 19, 2024 - 21:56

Move vo cursor to the input field and vo-space. Note that this isn't necessary in RPN mode. You can read the input at any time with vo-l. There are shortcuts for all calculator functions in macOs that you can read about in the calculator help.

By TheBllindGuy07 on Thursday, December 19, 2024 - 22:56

If you're talking about vo cmd fn 4, it doesn't work in this exact case hence vo-space (only). I've read about rpm mode, but my understanding was that it's something weird graphical, and at least in the standard and scientific there are very limited shortcut compared to windows for functions like sin, cos, tan... I might re read this document for the 10th time, and if I was wrong all that time, than congrat and thank you apple! Again, I'm 101% willing to learn new ways of doing things on an os.

By TheBllindGuy07 on Thursday, December 19, 2024 - 22:56

Nope.
Literally 4-5 functions have shortcuts in the scientific mode, and everything else is said click x button in their doc. There is no useful shortcuts and as far as I know, we have to manually move with vo+arrows or the trackpad to the functions, which is painfully slow and trigger the above mentioned bug.
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/calculator/calce87b2f66/11.0/mac/15.0
RPN mode as far as I know has the same problem. I;m not saying that microsoft calculator on windows with the shortcuts is the standard, but the lack of those + this bug with voiceover makes it very hard to use it, at least it's a bit better now.
Compared apple shortcut list to that of windows in the calculator app.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/keyboard-shortcuts-in-apps-139014e7-177b-d1f3-eb2e-7298b2599a34
That;s why I say mac accessibility especially with its point and click interface can be questionable sometime, but again it's just two philosophies. I know I can use python to do all the stuff I need and more, or hopefully one day be able to code my own gui app, but the fact that their native calculator has been broken for probably years with voiceover and it's only this year with my feedback and maybe others that they dared include official real voiceover support for it... Because before it was a the system tts impossible to stop when saying 10+ digits periodic numbers for example.
Even if I could have hotspots for most of my commonly used functions I'd have to press 2 keystrokes for one purpose, first go to it and then press vo-space, and it's even worst for the inverse functions. Using command key as search was already broken and giving very weird results in calculator on Sonoma, and now it's completely broken for most things like you can't do cmd-d in textedit or similar app when going to delete button, in the four grouping behaviours.

By Blade Runner on Friday, December 20, 2024 - 01:56

Well, I beg your pardon kind sir. I stand corrected in regards to all scientific functions having short cuts.
I still stand by everything else I said however. And, no. I did not mean vo-fn-cmd-4.