iOS 18.2 developer beta is here, as well as iPadOS 18 and macOS 15.2 betas, with ChatGPT integration and visual intelligence!

Yeah just watched yt video on chatgpt integration. I wonder how the new genmogi character will be held by voiceover as they''re not standard part of unicode consortium? I'm especially impatient to test siri with chatgpt on my mac. I don't care enough of AI yet to buy a newer iphone as I got my 14 just last year, but the little ipad mini is really, really becoming attractive to me. I hope writing tools are still as good as they were with VO on this version :) I used to summarize apple license at update.

Saw that now people can ad it in control panel. Since accessing it with VO is hard it will be nice that people can go to control and open type to siri from there.

Downloading 15.2 beta on my beta partition, on my m2 pro from 15.1 rc it's still about 15gb of download so beware :)

ChatGPT, it's awesome!
Oh my gosh, that's all I'll say, they've killed it. Just wow! You'll very soon forget the chatgpt app and only use the integration on the mac. It's... I'm speechless.

How does the chat GPT integration work?
Is it similar to the actual Chat GPT app?
Sadly I can't test apple intelegence since I have a Iphone 14 pro still.

It's on the mac I can't comment for iphone as me too only have iphone 14.

From what I heard, you nee to go to setting turn it on and Siri will ask you or you can ask Siri to use GPT directly.

How did you get the description and did you go by writing tools or another method? This is the first thing I thought of but haven't tried yet. I'd love that.

i still thought voiceover was getting more natural-sounding voices in ios 18?

will watch the video now on this i use the chat gpt app when need it so no difference to me at the moment it uses those voices to read back to me i assume ios does not.

Is it only for iPhone 16?
How does it work?

Yes. I also think is for 15 pro and pro max.

It takes a screen shot and sends it to chat GPT. You can log in with your paid account but I'm not sure if it uses your preferences as in, getting it to describe in specific ways as you can with chat gpt directly. The nice thing on mac is type to siri reads out its reply with siri's voice. It's not as expressive as all the chat gpt voice stuff, but you can only use that if you speak into it too. I like typing and getting audio feedback.

Just received my 16 Pro Max. it's in the box waiting for a window of time where I can set the bleeder up. I, too, am very keen to hear more about Chat GPT integration.

One specific question I have: Olly said you can log in with your paid account. Do I take it that a paid account is still necessary to use this feature fully, then? Even when integrated into IOS, if I don't have a paid account will I be cut off after a bit, as now? I don't necesarily begrudge that, but I am nto at all clear on what the position is.

@bingo Little you actually don't need to login with your chat GPT account. The advantage of using your free Chat GPT account if logged in, is that you can keep your history of queries. As for the paid account, is simply a plus to use this, but has little bearing on the functionality of siri and chat GPT integration.

I have reported this to Apple, but voice over is buggy when swiping through your phone. I am using Iphone 15 ProMax, South African Tersa voice. Basically what happens, throughout almost all the apps, is that when swiping from left to right voice over would not read some elements on the screen.
For example, when on outlook, voice over would read the subject of the first message, but it would then say button on the second message, and read the third message. I have to swipe from right to left again in order for voice over to read the second message.
This bug is almost consistent on many apps, including Apple native apps.

Currently on an iPhone 14 Pro and I'm getting bored. Since the redesigned mail app wasn't mentioned in the Apple Intelligence section at WWDC, it would make sense that this would come to older devices. They did talk about the ChatGPT integration while discussing Apple Intelligence, but since ChatGPT is running entirely over an Internet connection, it would be outright stupid of them not to include that on older devices as well. If you think about it, there was a time in iOS history when Siri had to be run over an Internet connection, and for the most part, it still does (except for a few tasks). This could simply be another scenario where that has to be the case.

For older phones you don't have good enough internals to run the new stuff. Just the facts of life. Wait a few months and get the new iPhone SE.

The difference is in the number of requests and the GPT version you have access to. I don't think it makes a huge difference at this point.

Also agree that voiceover has become quite a lot buggier in this release, with some issues with Braille screen input and snagging on navigation in general.

Siri, contrary to what I posted earlier, doesn't read out the full responses on Mac when you do type to Siri. It did once, but then I think now it just says, “This is the answer,” and dumps output in a field as text, and navigating the Siri app, as with all Apple in-house apps, is highly awkward with no shortcut I can find to jump between fields.

Regarding older phones, I get the frustration, but as I've said before, your phone doesn't become less because it doesn't get the latest features. They are experimental at best, and it is very much like they are feeling their way through and trying to find a use for them. For me, the most useful aspect of this is proofing, which is best used on a Mac, and all Macs with m1 and up get it. Siri is still pretty rubbish, the image stuff probably isn't really relevant for us, and though the screenshot and upload to chat Siri is still pretty rubbish. The image stuff probably isn't really relevant for us, and though the screenshot and upload to ChatGPT is cool in principle, it's nothing you can't do with the stand-alone ChatGPT app. is cool in principle, it's nothing you can't do with the stand alone chat GPT app. I do agree there is some splitting of hairs and obviscation of the truth with needing 8 GB internals when the real heavy lifting has to be sent off-device anyway. In short, you can do 90 percent of what Apple Intelligence can do with ChatGPT and alike on a phone that is two years old. The deep integration is still a way off.

Lots of comments on here about working on a Mac, so I'm a bit confused about using this new beta on an iPhone.

My main question is, are these betas stable enough and/or free of enough bugs that it is worth putting onto my only iPhone and iOS device? I consider almost all software these days to be a kind of beta since no software is ever free of bugs and problems. I have been running JAWS betas for decades on Windows with no problems, but, of course, that doesn't affect the operating system.

Anyway, just wondering if I should wait until the official release or try installing this beta to first of all play around with it, but also to provide feedback to Apple on problems so that they can be fixed in the final release.

--Pete

Voiceover on IOS is certainly buggier on 18.2 than it was on the 18.1 beta, but it's probably because it is at the start of its cycle.

If I could go back to this morning I'd have not installed the beta on my iPhone but would still have installed it on my mac... If that's any help?

On mac people who want beta test and report bugs will have an easy time doing that, apple provides documentation about how to have two partition with 2 different versions of macos. Even with 256gb mac doesn't take that much space. That's what I do on my base model m2 pro.

Thanks. Although I don't mind minor bugs as long as I can work around them reasonably well on my iPhone, if Voiceover is pretty buggy, perhaps I'll wait until a bit later in the 18.2 beta cycle.

Thanks for your feedback.

--Pete

I got on the waiting list, but unlike the waiting list for Apple intelligence, it's been 2 days and still, not approved. I'm not complaining in the least, so please don't tell me to be patient and chill. I'm totally cool. It may just take a bit. It's all good! I'm just wondering though if anyone else is yet approved, and if so, is it accessible at least to get it to generate an image based on a prompt?

Secondly, can someone explain to me with Siri how to go about getting it to snap a photo then describe it? I have a 15 Pro Max, so I'm a little confused what features I am not ever gonna get on the 15, that only are for the 16. Was hoping someone could explain. I still don't get this whole thing of visual intelligence. Is that part of the image generation thing, as that's what I really wanna see in action. I can do it directly with Chatgpt, but I wanna see how iOS directly does it. And yes. I do have a paid chatgpt account.

Great point regarding Mac and Beta, yes, create a separate disk for testing... I've not, but I'm not encountering many issues on Mac, just a few on IOS.

Yes, I'd wait a while. I don't exactly regret getting 18.2 beta 1, but if I could easily downgrade, I would.

Regarding looking at images, once you have chat GPT set up in settings > Siri > Chat GPT, and you have the photograph open, you can just use siri to ask something like, describe this picture, and it will send it out to chat GPT and come back with a description. It's a bit annoying as it describe the entire screen, EG, this appears to be a screen shot of a phone etc... There may be a way of just doing the image, I've not worked it out yet though. As far as I can tell, it only uses screen shots at the moment.

Regarding playgrounds, it's thought the waiting list is going to be up to a month as they roll it out. I've applied but not been accepted yet.

I am in South Africa, and yeah, I am still waiting for the approval to use or experiment with image playground.

I signed up for iOS betas to try out the 18.2 beta and provide feedback on accessibility before the final release.

Although my iPhone says that I have betas turned on in the Software Update section, this beta doesn't seem to be available and I am told that my iPhone is up to date with 18.1.

I'm thinking there may be a difference between signing up for the beta versus the developer beta. Alternately maybe I just have to wait to be accepted into the beta cycle? Don't know.

Anyway, if there is a difference with the developer betas, what is it and how does that work versus what might be the "normal" betas?

Thanks.

--Pete

Thanks for the clarification about the different stages of betas. I thought that might be the case.

So is the developer beta an earlier version than the ordinary beta where the ordinary beta would presumably be expected to be a bit more mature with more of the bugs wrung out?

--Pete

There are several buttons in the Mail app to show Primary, Transactions, Updates, and Promotions.

However I don't see a button or any way of showing "All" mail items in my Inbox.

I have some unread items in my Inbox that do not show up on my iPhone's Inbox at all under any of these catagories.

Is there something I am missing or is this a bug?

--Pete

I found the trick. At the top of the screen in Mail there is a "More" option. In that dialog you can choose the "List" button. When this is activated, all of the buttons for special sorting of mail disappears and all e-mails show up as they did in 18.1. This is the "normal" view.

--Pete

I have to say in beta 2 Voice over bug has been fixed. At least voice over reads all elements on the screen.

Oh yes, Image playground is now available in South Africa. I am yet to play around with the feature.

Will remember this tip because I will not want my email in categories just they are now. Thanks.

On the latest beta of 15.2 as of writing, the built-in script to speak wifi status again announces the SSID the mac is connected to. The VO-N shortcut to list currently on screen notifications works again. Moreover, this is a very nice change that could have been there previously too but I am not sure, but now, on the web, when you reed by word or by character with the rotor and you have a custom verbosity setting such for links and headings to be announced after the actual text of those links and headings, these are now announced in the right order as per your verbosity settings. This is all I was able to see in 10 minutes after the update. I didn't even have to reboot to correct some random problem in web browsing in safari for example as it was the case for previous updates since the first beta of sequoia if I remember correctly. The menu bar bug is still there as well as that of the volume adjustment with command + trackpad rotor swipe counterclockwise/clockwise.

After accessing the dock with vo+d or double tapping with 2 fingers at the bottom edge of the trackpad, pressing escape no longer focus the cursor back in the app
When I access the Dock with either the vo+d shortcut as per apple VoiceOver user guide or by double tapping at the bottom edge of the trackpad, in all previous releases, I was able to focus back in the previous context/application by pressing escape. For example if I had textedit opened, I could access the Dock as described above, and pressing escape would have had shifted the cursor back where it previously was, in this context textedit. This no longer works however, even with the two fingers scrub gesture on the trackpad. The only workaround is to press VO-escape.
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Safari seems remarkably stable on chatgpt which was a major point of frustration in the past so far, I know it doesn't mean anything due to the very short time of testing but this dev betea is definitely more stable than 15.1 overall for me.

Did they just fix the horrible 3 finger gestures issue with the trackpad and voiceover? There is no misinterpretation now and I haven't changed anything in how I perform them. Like scrolling is actually really possible now!
**Edit: it seems that it was just luck. Like why are these so complicated on the trackpad while on iphone I never have false positives? Scrolling is something we can't live without.

Never mind. On ChatGPT when your thread hits a certain length voiceover goes crazy with sn and on other browsers as well and this is only a VO problem not experienced at all on windows for example or chromeos.

When in a Finder Window, impossible to navigate in the desktop content with arrow keys after pressing vo-shift-d
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To trigger this bug, I must be on the desktop.
I start with opening a folder or folder alias by moving to it with the arrow keys (all form of quick nav in VO utility off) with cmd-down arrow or cmd-o.
Depending on VoiceOver verbosity and finder settings, for me it says something like this once I open the folder by one of the methods mentioned above.
Cal I window column view browser 1 item selected. Cal I group
With “Cal I” being the folder I just opened, in column view (cmd-3 in finder).
Then I press vo-shift-d to go to the desktop, after having moved a little bit in the folder content, or not.
Voiceover does not announce anything nor does any of the cursor actually moves to the desktop except for the mouse one (vo-fn-5).
Then, with vo-fn-3 Describe item under the cursor, it says “nothing is in the VoiceOver cursor”. Vo-fn-5 would say “Desktop group is under the mouse”.
Otherwise, if I press cmd-` (us layout keyboard) to move to the desktop after having opened a folder from the desktop as described above, it’s still possible for me to navigate the desktop normally.

For those of you on the MacOS beta, could you please put in a Feedback request to eliminate the VoiceOver announcement, "writing tools in action menu," or at least have that announcement tied to VO verbosity or speech hints. Hopefully it's not too late to eliminate this distracting and unnecessary announcement. Thanks.

What about Apple music? Is it fixed on new betas?
Thanks.

So, I’m hearing great things from people using iOS 18 on their devices. From what I was hearing months ago, people were also having a lot of issues with VO on their devices. My thing is, has the basic iOS 18 update gotten better now that iOS 18.1 and iOS18.2 betas are out? Or is it still buggy if I were to update? The update is sitting in my software updates, but since I am a well seasoned voiceover user, any bugs and glitches heavily affect me. Has it gotten better for me to update, or should I still wait?

My two concerns with this is that
1. I use an iPhone 13
2. It is my only phone
. Please let me know. Thanks

~ Jasmine

If you are thinking of iOS 18.1. Is OK. I used it in my 13 pro before I got my 16 pro max. Some bugs but nothing major.If you are thinking of the beta suggest for the RC release which will be more likely after Thanksgiving.

No, apple music navigation with voiceover is not fixed in the latest 15.2beta for macos.

I would recommend you wait until the end of this month, when iOS 18.2 is reported to be released. Currently, there is a small, but rather annoying, bug with notes, journal, and any notes that you download from the App Store, where with voiceover we cannot read line by line. Of course, if you do not use Notes, at all, then this bug is not an issue, but otherwise, I would wait.
There is another small issue, that has a workaround for it at least. This is where we drag apps into a folder, or drag apps over another app to create a folder. Currently, this does not work. Currently, when we try to add things to a folder, or create a folder, the item we are dragging ends up to the left of the item we're trying to drag it over. The workaround is to do things the old-school way, that is to double tap and hold an app and manually move it over another item (folder, or another app icon to create a folder). This works for now, but hopefully will be fixed in the 18.2 release.

HTH.

I haven't done extensive testing with iOS 18.2 beta 3, but with the small amount of testing I did today it seems like one can now navigate by line in the Notes app. I was also abel to drop another app into a folder in the usual way.

--Pete

It cannot get here fast enough. As someone who uses Notes literally on a daily basis, this line by line reading bug has been the epitome of my frustration. Truly cannot wait for that to be fixed.