Hello, I’ve made a new discovery with an eloquence on iOS 18. Now, as well as all the languages it supported before, eloquence now supports Chinese in Japanese. Pretty cool?
By techluver, 10 September, 2024
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awesome
This is awesome for those that need it. if you discover anything else please let us know.
only manndarin ?
does it has cantonese or only mendaren ?
Japanese pronunciation and Chinese
I wouldn't get too excited about this. I checked out Japanese eloquence a few months back and wasn't impressed. It couldn't even get some of the basic phonemes right. Though that was hiragana, maybe it does a better job with Kanji? Narrator on Windows 10 and the Vocalizer voices seemed to be doing a better job. Eloquence was pronouncing 'ha' as 'wa'. I dread to think what the Mandarin pronunciation is like. As far as I know it's just Mandarin, usually when things offer Cantonese, they're specified as Cantonese and not just Chinese.
That's so cool.
I don't speak either of those languages, but having a tts device that can actually pronounce those languages is helpful when scrolling the web, and due to certain content I like.
Very nice. I don't speak…
Very nice. I don't speak either of those languages, but I do appreciate the work that goes in to adding them. Hope the pronunciation is decent or can be improved if it still needs work.
Eloquence is old
Hi Justin,
Japanese Eloquence has been around since the late 90's. I knew a Japanese learner who was studying in Japan around the late 90s early 2000s and was using Japanese JAWS with Eloquence. That was all there was at the time. I haven't heard of any major improvements to the various languages Eloquence supports over the years. Codefactory's iteration actually made English sound worse. It can't even pronounce 'wednesday' properly. God knows what they did to it. Eloquence isn't really being worked on anymore as far as I know. I don't know what Japanese native speakers think of Japanese Eloquence. Maybe it's good enough for them.
who cares if it is old
who cares how old it is it is simply the best. If you find things aren't working if you are running a beta file a fb. If not file a bug report via apple accessibility.
Eloquence is not recommended for Chinese users
I was very excited when I heard about the addition of Chinese to Eloquence two months ago, because the sound of Eloquence is immensely familiar to people like me who have been using the Windows system before VoiceOver, which is called VVTTS in our country's screen readers, and I don't know why it's called that.So the first thing I did was to test Eloquence on Chinese, but I found the results to be very bad.I found that it couldn't pronounce a lot of words correctly, and would even ignore a lot of things when reading a passage aloud.I think it would take Apple quite a while for someone who understands Chinese to do some training on Eloquence specifically to make it work well for Chinese users, but I find it hard to believe that Apple would do that.Even on our country's screen readers, Eloquence took years of training to achieve relative perfection. For example, on Zhengdu Screen Reader, which is the most popular screen reader in our country, Eloquence often breaks when reading out the content, and it took a long time for the developers of the screen reader to solve this problem.Therefore, I don't recommend Apple users who use Chinese to adopt Eloquence, it's better to use TingTing in peace.
I doubt they'll work on it.
Unfortunetly eloquence is very very old now and so I highly doubt it will be worked on.
It still sounds worse than the talks version to me, but that could be because I didn't have a choice with that screen reader, not that I minded at all.