Canes

By OldBear, 27 April, 2024

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I suppose they are one of the most basic of assistive technologys for blind people, but also very personal to one's preferences... and one's budget. What are some of your cane hacks and tips, and what odd substitutes have you used?
I read a little of a discussion in another thread about the teliscoping canes collapsing sometimes during use. It happens occasionally when I haven't snugged each section together, the temptation being to just deploy it quickly, and it's immediately noticeable to me. When a section collapses during use, I stop for a second--though I've done it mid-step--catch the shoulder of the tip against the bottom edge of my footwear, and give the cane a pull to make everything tight. Out of habit, I do this before I start using it, just to be sure. Never had an emergency caused by a collapsed section.
* And as a side thought, it can also be managed if you're not wearing footwear: the beach around the neighborhood etc.
I find myself using any number of garden implements and even staffs I've carved from tree branches around my property (I grow and sometimes fell/limb fruit trees). I have them stashed all over the place. One implement is a cane-length of rebar with a crook bent in one end that I use to check how deeply I've watered by sinking it into the ground, or with the crook, grab high branches. A bit heavy for a cane, but I use what's handy.

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By Brian on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

The best cane experience I have ever had was with an Ambutech folding cane that had a ceramic tip. The tip is the important factor here. This is the first tip I have ever heard of where you can either tap, or do constant contact for mobility. It was a game changer for me.

Unfortunately this was not my cane, so I will have to get my own at some point; probably when I finish my Certs.

On a side note, there is a compant called Awarewolf.com if I have that spelled right, they make titanium mobility canes. Those sound interesting. . . .

By Brian on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

One more thing I forgot to mention. The girl who let me try out the ceramic tipped cane, had a custom colored cane. Rather than the traditional White + whatever color, hers was purple and blue.

I don't care what anyone says, I do like color. πŸ˜€

By mr grieves on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

I started out with an AmbuTech cane from the council - probably aluminium, it was foldable and had a big rolling ball on it. This is what I had mobility training on and is what I usually use. I find my wrist gets quite tired quite quickly with all the sweeping, but on the whole it is fine in urban environments. However, I don't find it very good as soon as I go even slightly off-road - on grass it's a bit of a struggle and it's a non-starter trying to go across a field or something with it. Well, yes I can hold it out above the ground but it's a tad heavy for that.

My instructor recommended me a Rover cane tip for this kind of thing. This is basically a wheel. I don't think many people use them. The advantage is that it does a much better job on grass or on rougher terrain. It is also lighter and because you don't sweep it horizontally, you drive it diagonally really, it is quite kind on the wrist. It is also a lot quieter, so the feedback isn't as good but probably better suited to stealth missions. But I find it very difficult to use in urban environments - again because of the different way of sweeping it. It's also a bit less durable and I've had a couple of these fall apart after a few months. Bear in mind I've not been trained on this cane so I may be using it wrong. I find it quite good for helping me find paths, but less good for avoiding obstacles.

Generally I go out with my sighted wife, often on dog walks. So I will pick one or the other depending on the terrain.

As I mentioned on another thread, she got me a Huju cane tip a few months back, not realising that it doesn't fit the AmbuTech aluminium canes. So I read about the graphite ones on the RNIB and they sounded pretty good - lighter and with anti-jab. So I bought one.

It came with a marshmallow tip. I happened to have been invited to afternoon tea (this is not a normal thing for me) so I took this new cane with the marshmallow out, given that I was mostly going to be navigating in a big posh old house. And it was actually rather a nice experience because the cane was so light.

After this I swapped out the Huju tip. I should say the graphite cane had a way that made it much easier to change tips. You pulled the cord out and it stayed in place. My other ones didn't have this.

The huju is a plastic hook thing that makes your cane look a bit like a hockey stick. It promised that it worked well in all types of terrain which sounded great. So the first thing I tried was taking it out on a grassy field where I would usually use the Rover. And it was absolutely terrible. So after that I just used it instead of the roller ball sometimes, and found it much the same. My wrist got tired just as much and I got a similar level of feedback. I think maybe not being round meant that it was more effort to swing, but because the cane was lighter it probably compensated. The anti-jab seemed to work pretty well though and I didn't find that the cane would get stuck and then ram me in the chest.

I should also say I ordered one the same length as my other cane but it was a little taller, maybe to do with the handle being very large or the anti-jab springs. But it suited me fine.

And then a couple of weeks ago, a cyclist ran into my cane and it snapped the end of, wrecking both the cane and the huju.

I am tempted to buy another graphite cane to use the marshmallow but I'm not sure if the cane is as robust as the aluminium versions. I never had the same situation with my other canes so I don't know how they would have reacted. But being lighter it felt a little less sturdy. I'm not sure if anyone else has had experience with this?

I also looked at the All Terrain Cane. This is expensive at about Β£100. It is titanium, and I think it is telescopic (my others are all foldable). It has a round tip which I think is red, although I honestly couldn't care less what it looked like. I have a feeling the cane itself may be red and white but I might be getting it confused with a different one. The thing I don't get is that if it is a standard ball tip like I currently use, then I don't really get that it would work in all terrains. The titanium is supposed to be super durable, but then I guess the bit that connects to the tip could be the weak spot, I don't know?

I feel a bit anxious about spending a lot of money one a fancy cane given my previous experience.

Also it might be worth me reiterating that I am not elite level blind. I had a couple of lessons of the constant touch technique just before lockdown which was before I actually needed it. So my technique is not amazing and I don't really use the double tap technique or whatever it's called. So it might be that my problems navigating some terrain are to do with me not the tip.

Apologies this turned into rather a long post.

By Siobhan on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

Brian, the site you might be thinking of is kustom cane. He charges quite a bit, you have to call for an order. Not my deal, I like pressing Pay and done. I started with the crook handled one, then got folding ones, stepped on one, broke it, got stuck together, put soap on it, that didn't do a great job. I've been getting mine from futureaids.com They did have a reasonable price, around 26 bucks but are now just as high as the others. They are free shipping though so I stick with them. Never used a telescoping cane, not quite sure how that works. A friend repaired two canes I had, one fell apart. He felt awful. I told him he did his best i wasn't upset. found oen more, again these are on their last legs. Would he mind repairing it? exact response: "I don't think i have enough cord left. To be honest, it was a pain in the ass." Pandemic or not, I appreciated he tried, as i wasn't sending two back, forty bucks, and waiting years. This took a few weeks and all I bought him was a case of beer for his efforts. I like the pencil tips, but the future aids come with marshmallow. I think I want a pencil again. Oh and one of my canes is somewhere in Tarpan Springs. Whoever finds it? enjoy lmao.

By peter on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

First, my experience with carbon fiber canes - I have a collapsable carbon fiber cane that I sometimes use.
Pros: Very light and very small. After being collapsed it can easily be stuck into a pocket.
Cons: As someone mentioned, the cane has a tendency to automatically collapse. Thus, in the middle of navigating, I'm suddenly getting bad feedback as to distances, heights, etc. Another downside of the carbon fiber cane is that it is brittle. Yes, carbon fiber is supposed to be strong, but in some circumstances, if the cane gets caught on something and you keep going, it can suddenly snap whereas an aluminum cane would bend. Although bending of a cane isn't good, at least it can usually be bent back and used effectively until you can replace it if necessary. Not so if the cane actually breaks.
Uses: I usually take this cane when having a cane can be useful but isn't 100% necessary. For example, if my wife is guiding me through a museum or we are just walking through neighborhood streets together, I mostly follow her without using the cane. But I know I have the cane if some emergency pops up or something happens to her.

Second, my experience with the Ambutech cane - This is one of the finest canes I've had. Being made from aluminum, it is relatively light and very sturdy. Another great feature is that the ends of each section are tapered so that they easily fit together when unfolding the cane. They also make a carbon fiber version which should be lighter and I'm tempted to try that, but as I mentioned above, I'm a bit nervous about the brittleness of the carbon fiber. But for some aplications the carbon fiber might work, for example, if I didn't expect to be in a very rugged environment.
Cons: Might be a bit heavy for some people.
Uses: Almost everywhere.

My experience with the AwareWolf cane - If you are a hiker navigating through rugged and rocky environments, this is the cane for you!
Pros: Very sturdy and rugged. Has a large roller ball that will roll over most surfaces without getting stuck. Can also be used as a hiking pole for support and climbing up large rocks. When you're through with the hike, you can even use it in the city if you don't want to carry two canes. Not optimal for city use because of the weight, but useable for convenience.
Cons: This is a pretty heavy cane. You won't want to tap it from side to side since that takes a lot of force and will be slow due to the mass.

I don't use any of my fiberglass canes any more, although I remember that they were Fiberglass white canes - I actually don't use those any more unless some other cane broke.
Pros: Pretty light. In addition, they have some springyness that makes them bounce back a little when tapping from side to side. That can make it easier to tap away without having to man handle the cane.
Cons" These canes don't fold up. I've gotten used to canes that fold up. This makes it much easier to store away when in a restaurant or other public venue where you might have a hard time finding a safe place to put a long cane that doesn't fold.

Anyway, those are my experiences and thoughts about using a variety of canes. We have lots of choices these days!

--Pete

By OldBear on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

I'm not a mobility guru,. I had constant training early on in the use of the cane, and more guided instruction might be helpful for you, if you want to go that rout.
It does seem that the weight of the cane is something you get used to. Back in the 80s during training, my instructor wanted me to try out a telescoping cane, they might have been a new thing at that time. It was so much lighter than what I was used to, the standard, folding aluminum cane, that I dropped it in the middle of crossing a busy street for no apparent reason. Usually it's someone knocking the cane out of your hand, but there's training for quickly finding your cane in that situation if you drop it too. Anyway, I didn't use one again until a couple of decades ago, and I also have a graphite folder too. I doubt I'll go back to an aluminum one.
I really don't know much about the various tips. I've only ever used the one that comes with the cane, nylon fat or skinny, doesn't matter to me.
As far as color... I've tried to look into what issues a blind person might get into by not using a typical white cane. There is a law in my state about drivers needing to avoid running over, or in other words, giving the right of way to people with mostly white or metallic colored canes. I suppose metallic means grayish-silver, but it does not specifically restrict it, eg, metallic-blue, gold-glitter covered, a copper tube etc.
"I didn't stop when he was crossing the street because he had a green, vinyl stick, officer."
And there's nothing I can find about not accommodating blind people in public places if they have non-white canes. "No shoes, no shirt, non-white cane, no service."

By mr grieves on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

I do keep meaning to get back in touch with my mobility instructor now I am actually using the cane. The door was left open so I should be able to carry on. I'm glad I had the few sessions I did though otherwise lockdown would have happened and I would have needed one and not really known about it. I only took lessons because the opportunity arose.

I think I will get another graphite one and try the marshmallow tip again as it did seem really nice compared to all the clunky other ones I tried. I think my incident was just unfortunate.

By mr grieves on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

I have to agree with you. I think the white cane has a very specific meaning and people generally understand what that is. I think trying to mess with that and then expecting people to understand where you are coming from is a bit optimistic.

Although a coloured tip I don't think makes a difference. But honestly if I can't see it I couldn't care less what colour it is.

By OldBear on Wednesday, April 24, 2024 - 18:12

The telescoping canes are kind of like extending a radio antenna, and the whole cane collapses into the handle, which is shorter than the handle of a folding cane. They are a bit of a pain to deal with because you have to be sure each section is pulled all the way out where friction holds it in place, then you have to twist each section a little to get it to release from that friction hold. It's much faster to extend and collapse a folding cane, but they take up a bit more space and are heavier. In fact, you could just about carry three, collapsed, telescoping canes in the same diameter of space as one folder, and they would be shorter. I wouldn't have any worries about leaning on a folding cane, but I wouldn't dare lean on a telescoping one. They're probably more fragile than a folding cane, I just haven't broken one yet, for some reason. They invite a light touch in use. I'd use a folder for more serious, hand-to-hand, concrete-jungle type mobility, but also have the telescoping one for backup.

By Brian on Friday, April 26, 2024 - 18:12

@Pete

Awarewolf also has an urban explorer version, that is supposed to be foldable, and designed for Metro city use. Just a heads up on that.

@Siobhan

… And I thought I had bad luck with canes.

@ negativity about custom colors

I have experienced more people who do not know what a white cane is, and those who do. So, for me, having a custom color came would make no difference than continuing to use a solid white cane, or a white cane with, say, a red tip. The only real difference is that, I would be happy. Because as I mentioned, I like colors. 😝

By Siobhan on Friday, April 26, 2024 - 18:12

I won't pay the eighty plus bucks for kustom to put whatever the hell cane shield is to protect it. Yeah it'd be nice to carry a Bucks' and Patriots' logoed cane when games are on, i just don't like the business practices. Plus if you're on any blind tech sell or trade list, he vomits up probably two or three a few weeks apart, asking you to go order from him. I'll check out how a telescoping cane might be, but if not, future aids works ok for now.

By mr grieves on Friday, April 26, 2024 - 18:12

Well I still remember the days when I didn't think of myself as blind. I definitely had it in my head that a white cane meant blind, and I would have been confused to see a different colour. I think red and white is deaf blind or something isn't it? I certainly wouldn't have known that then.

I guess what you are doing with the cane is probably more of a giveaway that you can't see, but I don't think we can expect sighted people to really know what's going on. I personally think make it as obvious as you can, and I'd say part of that is the colour. But on the other hand if using a different colour makes you happy, then who am I to say otherwise?

I wonder what the problem with calling it a white stick is. It's certainly sticky. And it is generally white.

By OldBear on Friday, April 26, 2024 - 18:12

I think the deaf/blind canes are red and white striped all the way, but I'm not too familiar with that. Back when I was a kid, they put about 6-8 inches (15-20cm) of red tape on the tip end of aluminum canes, and they tended to be about sternum to chest level in length. They also had a golf club grip that usually had "Golf Pro" or something like that printed on a flattened side. The fiberglass canes were all white, and some people insisted they needed to be about up to face-level long, and held in a way similar to a pencil. So maybe it wasn't absolute that the red needed to be on there, and there was plenty of disagreement about proper this and proper that, depending on the instructor.
I just confirmed with my phone that my graphite folders have the red tape on the bottom section. My telescoping one does not. So it's still a thing over here in the US for some canes. I also just read some Google search blerbs that the red is now thought to mean low vision. Who knows anymore? My only concern for myself is the situations, such as with police officers and motorists, where being identifiable as blind from a distance is probably in everyone's best interest.

By Siobhan on Friday, April 26, 2024 - 18:12

I don't know much about the whole deafblind thing, but when I was measured for a cane when I was a kid, they failed to take into account what would later develop, so now i have one about quarter up the hill, to be G rated here. I don't think you can pass a driving test in at least America and Europe without knowing if a cane is out in front of someone, they have the right of way. Then again with everyone being idiotic now, who knows if the younger people, did i just say that?, give a crap anymore.

By Brian on Friday, April 26, 2024 - 18:12

I cannot decide, but I know I want purple in my next Ambutech cane. Purple was my fav color when I had eyesight.

Don't judge me. . .

Anyways, I am torn between a Purple cane with a White tip, or a White cane with a Purple tip. Note that by "tip" I actually mean the last segment of the cane that is typically red.

By mr grieves on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

My roller ball tip has become a bit rattly recently - sounds like a reel on a fishing rod - so think I should replace it. Just looking at the different tips on rnib and there is a jumbo roller which for some reason I had mistakenly thought was what I was using. It sounds like this one is a bit bigger and a disc not a ball. Has anyone tried it? Does it feel heavier than the normal ball or does it roll better and therefore feel less heavy to push? Does it manage if you go off-piste with it?
Does anyone have any thoughts on the best multi-purpose tip which would be good for both urban walking and also going off into a field, or does such a thing not really exist? (Or does it just require having better skills)

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I am not sure if the Ceramic Tip from Ambutech is viable for 'rugged terrrain', but I would choose the ceramic tip over anything else. This is probably based on use case, as is the case with all assistive devices, but the ceramic tip is great for being able to be used with touch tapping, or constant contact, glides easily over a variety of services, has just enough additional weight to be useful, without being overbearing, and if you use a folding cane, does not make holding/storing it quite so awkward.

Just my 2 cents. πŸ˜ƒ

By mr grieves on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I did notice you mentioned ceramic tips before. To me, ceramic doesn't sound like it is going to be a material that can withstand a lot of being battered about. It is more sturdy than it sounds? I will have to look into them a bit more.

By Lee on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I've had one of these tips for about 5 years I think and it has never broken no matter what it has contacted. Very light and to me the best kind of tip.

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Mine have always been the nylon tips, and though I've worn a few down to an angled nub, it always seems like the shaft of the cane, or the tape on the cane or the cord inside the cane, or the grip of the cane wares out before that last tiny nub scrapes down to the raw edge of the shaft end. Those ceramic cane tips sound like an improvement in the design of the steel disk kind they use on the fiberglass canes--the ones that looked like they came off the bottom of a metal chair leg... I'm not finding any specific information with a Google search on which kind of ceramic is used--and trust me, the label "ceramic" covers more materials than you can imagine. It might be a ceramic coating on steel, like on the #10 deck screws I bought the other day, or maybe it's solid zirconia like they use for tooth crowns. If anyone knows, tell us.
I just never learned the technique for roller tips, and I think I would find myself using taps out of habit if I tried one.

By mr grieves on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I suppose I was envisaging a tea cup and saucer at the end of my cane. OK, well I'll give it a try - just ordered it from RNIB. Not sure why but I'm sure I heard VoiceOver saying moustache every time the page changed.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Well, assuming it is good of course!

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

That can be the proverbial secret codeword amongst Ceramic Tip users. 😜

By Brad on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I use a small roler ball tip, I actually don't know what it's called but it's rounded on the end and rolls left to right and is light enough to do two point touch and roll if I need to.

I think any cane is going to struggle on pitches/fields depending on some factors like grass lenth, mud, stuff like that.

I'd recommend more mobility lessons to become more indipendant, if you want to, sounds to me like you're completely fine with your wife guiding you, either way; good luck.

By Brad on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

It's the Ambutech roller marshmallow tip - hook style.

Like I said, it allows me to roll and also use two point touch if I need to.

Good luck with the ceramic tip, personally I think you should try and get a refund and go for a couple more lessons with something a bit easier to use like the tip mentioned above but if you can't do that get ready for a lot of two point touch.

By mr grieves on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

That tip came with my graphite cane (may it rest in peace) and I only used it once but liked it. But not tried it outdoors beyond a car park.

The ceramic tip does say it is suitable for constant touch technique too so hopefully it will work out.

The only one I've found that works well for rough terrain is the Rover but it doesn't really suit me at all for anything remotely urban.

Anyway I will give the ceramic a go. If it needs the two point technique then I will likely not be friends with it.

I only tend to go out with my wife, but I don't want to be guided by her if possible. I'm not really one to go out on my own much, but I would like to feel like I could. So I want to try to guide myself as much as I can.

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

You'll get there, mr grieves. I remember the early, hard, mobility times.
Exactly what do you mean by "rough terrain?" I think of... boulders and cacti and thorn bushes, ankle breaker holes... like my yard...

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Ceramic tips, that is. You can do constant contact, as I said above, or 2 point touch. Either one is fine, it is up to the user. The beauty of this tip, is that it is more of a universal design, as it glides over multiple surfaces. In other words, multiple terrains. Unlike the Marshmallow, which I am sadly all to familiar with, Ceramic tips are designed to glide over sidewalk gaps, whereas the marshmallow tip can, at least in my experience, cause you a lot of stomach discomfort. . .

Obviously everyone has their preference, but don't knock the ceramic tip just because it is, ya know, ceramic. I promise you it is about as tough as kevlar.

By Holy Diver on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I have two canes for different use cases, I still haven't found my perfect fit. My preference for walking, especially long distances is the long fiberglass cane distributed by the NFB here in America, I can just go and go without any wrist fatigue. I also have a revolution graphite cane with a ceramic tip, I had to get this weird patchwork adapter thingie from the adaptations store but it works. As others have said I like the ceramic tip, it even gives superior tactile feedback to the NFB metal one especially off road but the weight of those graphite canes is still a lot for me if I'm going more than a mile or so. I keep it in my bag or else use it for those quick errand type situations where convenience of folding something matters more than raw stamina. I ought to try the telescoping model, that may be a nice middle ground.

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

@Holy Diver, The telescoping canes might be even lighter than the fiberglass NFB canes,, but it's been so long I'm not sure I remember. Mine feels almost too light to me.
Those long fiberglass canes, when held like the shorter canes, are really good for speed walking. You can get a gigantic reach and sweep. But then storing it on busses or when seated can be an issue. My out and about canes have always been about chest level, and many people have suggested to me that is a little longer than usual.
I'm not sure that ceramic tip would fit on my telescoping cane, maybe the folder, but I'm intrigued.

By Holy Diver on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Yes storing my straight cane on the bus, at restaurants etc is a pain. I'll give the telescoping one a go, I tried the nfb folding cane and it was decent but not that durable. I don't know how you'd get the ceramic tip to fit but you seem resourceful, perhaps you could find a way ... if by some miracle you rig up soomething that works I'd love to hear about it because that would be ideal for me.

By Travis Roth on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

@Holy Driver, Graphite is too heavy for my taste. There is one folding style that is carbon fiber, the Chris Park folding one, that i know of. https://adaptations.org/collections/canes/products/cn7-1
That site also has the Chris Park carbon fiber telescoping cane, which I also use. Note I think there are other carbon fiber telescoping models, or you may be able to find the older bamboo but believe me carbon fiber is more sturdy and reliable. The Chris Park folding one is the only carbon fiber folding cane I've found, with others being heavy graphite.

The only thing is I do not think you can put a ceramic tip on these carbon fiber canes? I've not seen a ceramic tip, I'd like to try one but do not see how to attach it to a cane that is designed for the NFB metal tip style.

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Well, thank you. I just happen to be concocting a dart-harpoon out of a fishing rod's handle-segment and reel that my neighbors threw in my yard as they were moving. They also threw a door nob and an empty can of car seat cleaner. I'm sure there's other things I haven't found yet...
The best case situation for the tip is if it would require a flange. I read somewhere in a Google search there is a rubber seat of some sort between the cane and the ceramic hemisphere, but something else said it had a hook for the cord. Is there more than one type?

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

First, your neighbors suck.

Second, depending on the cane design, some have a hook-style tip, where the hook connects to a loop of nylon cord inside the shaft. Some cane tips just sort of slide onto the end of the shaft and stick by pressure, for lack of a better definition.

Of course the metal disk style like the NFB cane uses, kind of has this sorta wedge system, where the tip has a rubberized piece that a peg on the end of the cane fits into and just kind of hangs out like a deadbeat at your neighborhood convenience store.

HTH. πŸ˜…

By mr grieves on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I struggle as soon as I get onto grass. The round tip works OK for well cut lawns, but anywhere I'm actually going to go walking it will snag on absolutely everything and if the grass gets remotely above perfect lawn length then it doesn't work so well. Whereas with the Rover I can easily traverse that sort of thing, or walk round the side of fields or whatever.

I thought the graphite canes were really light, but I suppose I've just been used to the aluminium canes. And I only went out with the huju tip which I think did take more effort in the swiping motion. I might have to check out the carbon fibre one at some point, but will see how the ceramic tip goes first. .

By mr grieves on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Is chest level long for a cane? Mine is about collar bone level I think which is what my mobility instructor recommended.

I get the impression that the longer the cane the easier it is but then I suppose the heavier too. I'm not quite a blind ninja who could go out with a tooth pick but I'm sure some can!

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I should have specified, I was asking if there were two different styles of ceramic tips. I think I understand now. The actual ceramic tip is threaded, supposedly 8mm, and that screws onto an adapter with a hook for the corded folding canes. Some listings are for both together, and others are for only the ceramic part, explaining the crazy price differences.
The only question I have now is whether the ceramic part has an 8mm male screw sticking out of it, or if it has an 8mm threaded hole in it.
Ya, those neighbors were not so friendly...

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Cane length and holding style is ultimately up to you to decide what you do best with. I've had mobility and disability people tell me to use a face-high cane, held as if writing with a pencil, or to use a sternum-high cane held low and like a drumstick or flashlight, as extreme examples. The long cane held like writing with a pencil does work for things like low-hanging branches, but the handle can get pushed into your face. I sometimes use the technique around my yard with a homemade walking staff that is much taller than me. A short cane or stick of some sort comes in handy for finding waist to knee high objects around you, if you lift it up and use it as a probe.
I don't use the roller or slide technique, so I don't know what to tell you on the grassy areas and such.

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

I once had a cane that was taller than I by about an inch. I had excellent reaction speed, or rather plenty of time to maneuver around obstacles. Getting into compact sized sports cars, or even certain model sedans (even 4door models, was a lesson in patience. . .

My current cane is about breastplate height, and while I have to pay more attention to where I am heading, I can definitely get in and out of automobiles easier. πŸ˜€

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Fair enough, and no idea. I have only ever checked out the hook style version. That one is, I imagine, like any other hook style tip; position the hook inside the nylon loop at the bottom of the cane shaft and let it pull the tip onto the shaft.

Easy peasy lemon squeazy.

Lemonade anyone? πŸ˜ƒ

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

The ceramic part probably screws onto that hook thing, and I am guessing the ceramic part is the female threaded part.
I just spent a half hour trying to figure out what kind of telescoping cane I have because it's fairly old. It comes from Independent Living Aids, according to the handle, but they don't carry what ever mine is anymore. It might be fiberglass, and it has nine sections. The thing is, the tip is nylon, but it looks like a two part tip with a rounded part on the end that either screws or pushes onto a top, shoulder part that is attached to the cane. I don't want to risk trying to twist anything with pliers to find out.
Anyway, the newer telescoping canes sound like they are improved, and I think I saw some that will take a ceramic tip.
As usual, I'm out dated in what I'm using. LOL

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Don't pretend you don't love all of this salacious talk about canes, shafts, and screwing ceramics! 😈

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Good point, and again I am unsure. Regarding the telescopic canes, I have never used one, but have always heard/read that they are sometimes (too) easy to collapse while travelling.

I would love to have a mechanical cane, like the 2003 Daredevil film starring Ben Affleck. In that film, the main character had a mechanical cane for tblind, that telescoped outward into a travel cane, or collapsed into a fighting baton, with the push of a button.

Sign me up for that anytime !! πŸ˜ƒ

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Cane discussions are a necessary evil. I checked my folding cane, I guess it's graphite, and the cord was stretched out too much. I don't use it a lot. The tip is a roundish nylon thing and the hook type. My old folding graphite cane had a slip-on tip and the cord was held by a string and washer, like the aluminum folding canes.
Anyway, I decided to fix the cord tension, but I couldn't get a good balance of loose enough to fold it, but tight enough to hold the sections together in a solid feeling way. I need to replace the cord. So I had an idea to put a cord toggle on the cord loop coming out of the end of the handle. It's like a large plastic bead with a clamp inside, and you push a button on the side to release the clamp for sliding up or down the cord, but they also come in different shapes. Now I can make the cane hold together as tightly as I want, but still loosen it enough to fold it. I might even be able to run a length of paracord in place of the elastic stuff that's in there now. Otherwise, I would make new cord with several cane-length loops of Stretch Magic cord that I use for making beaded stretchy bracelets and necklaces.

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

That sounds like a lot of work. πŸ˜…

. . . and beaded jewelry ftw! πŸ‘

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

It would be a lot of work. Stretchy cord has to be pre stretched several times for it to maintain a stable, relaxed length. But it can last a lot longer than the elastic, bungee-type cord the cane comes with. And I already have several large spools of Stretch Magic. I could also gut some paracord and sheathe the Stretch Magic kind of like what's in the cane.
I make jewelry, sometimes out of things people throw over my fence, what can I say...

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Your neighbors suck. Having said that, homemade jewelry rocks. I have a friend who makes and sells at a local Farmer's Market. She also makes other random things, like clay figurines (fridge magnets, keychains, etc), and scented candles. I have this really awesome bracelet she sold me awhile back; it has a variety of beads and some polished lava rocks, and a couple of well placed pewter wolf head beads with itty bitty green glass chips for eyes, all on a stretchy cord. It is probably my single favorite piece.

Regarding cane cords, would paracord not be too stiff for a cane?

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

Crafts are good. I used to work with ceramics.
Paracord doesn't stretch at all compared to bungee. I would put one of those toggle clamps on one end and pull the paracord tight out the back of the cane handle then hold it tight with the toggle. Just one strand of paracord and figure out how to attach it to the tip hook with a loop or something. You'd also have to account for the length of slack to allow it to fold up and things like that. I doubt you would ever have to replace the paracord, though.
If I were threading stretchy through gutted paracord, bungee-like, I'd bunch it up here and there to give me a lot of built-in slack, because the skin doesn't stretch much either.
I live in a... lively area, but I manage. Like that time someone threw a beer bottle at my mailbox, and I shaped/polished the pieces with grinders/rotaries to make a bronze based bracelet, necklace and earring set, and several other individual items.

By Holy Diver on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

First, a moment of silence for those poor souls. Anyone? Anyone? Ok, what I really came to say is that cane length is a personal preference, you're trading reaction time against inconvenient storage and even more public scrutiny. I've tried everything from lower chest to a couple inches higher than head level and for me the sweet spot is about to my adam's apple.

By OldBear on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

But I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who is using a cane higher than the sternum, and lower than the mouth.
I think I've identified the telescoping cane I have. It is very much like the description of the "Chris Park Ultra Mini Telescoping Cane." The hex-key, setscrew tip is what mine has, and they claim it is proprietary or something like that. It's also carbon fiber.

By Brian on Monday, June 10, 2024 - 18:12

So, what is the significance of the "Chris Park" telescoping cane, over any other telescoping cane? Inquiring minds, and all that jazz. 😎