Introducing Anytime podcast app and seeking VoiceOver feedback

I'm looking forward to giving it a spin!
It's always wonderful to experience a developer who considers accessibility and solicits feedback from the community - kudos from here!

Best
M

rotor actions allow things to get done quickly. Please add these where appropiate.

Hi Ben,
Thanks for reaching out on this. I had read about the app on Mastodon so had been meaning to check it out.
I’ve just downloaded it, so will send on some more feedback in the coming days, but a couple of things I’ve noticed straight away:
In Settings, VoiceOver doesn’t call out headings, so I don’t know what is a section heading and what is a selectable item.
When I opened the Search Provider option, I can’t back out of it unless I change my current selection.
The layout options do not tell me which one is currently selected.
Where there are switches, such as Dark Theme, it’s nicer if the item and the switch are contained in a single VoiceOver element.
On a related note, it’d be nice if light / dark mode could also simply follow my system choice. i.e. choose Light, Dark or System.
Outside of accessibility, will there be global settings for things like how many episodes of a podcast to keep, playback speed, and ability to stream rather than download?
One thing I like straight away is that the Discovery section appears to be localised, that’s the one thing that annoys me in Overcast, which just seems to promote what’s popular in America.
Cheers,
Dave

I think sounds might be nice, kind of like how downcast does it.

they have a similar issue where you have episode one, then a more info button about episode 1 so you do have to do a lot of flicking.

Of course you'd be able to turn the sounds on and off too, I might like sounds but others won't, and they should be very short too.

I'll check this out once a couple more things have been added.

It would be really nice if you could use the rotor actions to speed things up quite a bit, I understand from your point of view it would probably be very annoying to remake the app and change the language/framework its built in, and if that's not something you're willing to do I understand but it would make things quite a bit faster for us.

Unfortunately as far as I know; that rotor kind of thing doesn't exist with android so if you want to keep it the same across the board that's also understandable.

Thanks Ben, sounds good.
Glad there is a speed setting, though personally I prefer when there is a global setting and a per podcast setting. This is because there are certain podcasts I always listen to at a higher speed. I appreciate though that this is not a VoiceOver accessibility thing.
Yes, the multiple swipes to get through a list is a frustration. The Actions menu would definitely be the most elegant and user friendly approach for VoiceOver users if it can be done. Brad is incorrect, TalkBack on Android does also support Actions, though I’ve no idea how similar or different the implementation is.
Another option could be to put such controls into a context menu, but that may not work so well for non-VoiceOver users, unless there’s a way around that.
Dave

I'm glad I'm incorrect.

I did end up downloading the app and have noticed when importing an OPML file there's no import from overcast or downcast options, could that be a thing that's added?

I hope this podcast app becomes what I need, I don't mind paying for apps but free is always great :)

Another thing is volume boost, that's a big paid for feature on overcast and I believe downcast too.

Oh and also it would be nice if we could leave and read reviews on podcasts as you can't seam to do that with overcast and downcast.

You might want to also think about adding a donate button to help keep the app up on the app stores.

I can't seem to find the chapters for some of the podcasts I'm subscribed to.

I'm wondering if it supports chapters, because I don't see it with Voiceover.

But I do like the fact that I can import and export OPML files, something you can't do with Apple's native Podcasts app.

But this is a great start and can hopefully only get better from here.

Your idea sounds like a better way to quickly scroll through episodes.

It would certainly cut down on the swipes just to get to the next episode.

I was wondering if there is a way to refresh podcasts manually.

I prefer to update my feeds manually and most podcast clients that I have used have a refresh button.

On Windows, I'm currently using Grover Podcast, and it meets my needs.

It just doesn't have a volume booster or a caption option.

Although, I think captioning podcasts is more of an Apple thing, unless podcasters do it themselves.

I only know of one podcast that does it, and he was captioning his podcast before Apple decided to add captions to podcasts in their directory, but only for podcasts in their directory.

That's the clincher - they have to be in the Apple Podcast directory before they can be captioned by their AI.

Wow, talk about going off on a tangent.

I haven't tried exporting podcasts yet with this app, I mean, it seems easy enough.

I'm wondering how I would get the OPML file from my phone to, say, a Windows PC.

I guess I'll just have to play with it some more.

Hi again.
1. Yes, I think that idea of moving all controls into the expanded section would work pretty well. The way VoiceOver is currently speaking on these list items is a problem however. On each item, VoiceOver first speaks "Episode list item, showing image, summary and main controls", before speaking the episode title etc. This kind of verbosity is incredibly irritating and would immediately put me off using the app. VoiceOver should just speak the episode details. At the end of the details, you could have it simply say something shorter like "Controls collapsed" or "Controls expanded". But it'd be important this is after the episode title etc, not before them.
1a. It's probably still worth exploring the Actions menu in the rotor as it's a very familiar control, but the above could work well I reckon. Yes, you should get the likes of Characters, Words etc in the rotor for free so to speak, but I don't know what is required to get Actions. Hopefully other developers can help you.
1b. When I do expand the full controls, and then select the More button, a couple of things confuse me. A control says "Collapsed, double tap to expand" - I can't tell what this does as nothing further seems to expand beyond what is already. Also, if I swipe to the last item, it is something VoiceOver calls "Scrim" - what is this?
2. When on the main screen for a podcast with the list of episodes, there is a button next to Unfollow and Options Menu called Sleep Timer. Is this an incorrect label? The items in the menu seem to be an episode filter feature. Plus this menu also includes something called Scrim.
3. There's a default VoiceOver gesture called the "scrub" which acts as Escape / Back. Often it would be our equivalent to swiping from left to right to go back, that sighted users would do. While that sighted method is working in the app, I've noticed the VoiceOver scrub gesture though is not, meaning we have to find the Back button to go back.
4. I'm having problems scrolling long lists.
4a. Firstly, when I scroll a list of episodes using the three finger up / down gestures (our equivalent to swiping up / down with one finger for sighted users), I'm not getting the normal sound, spoken or haptic feedback I'd expect.
4b. There is no vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen. I don't know about anyone else, but I find this incredibly useful for quickly scrolling long lists.
5. I had some issues importing an OPML file. I found the option and selected the file no problem. However the import got stuck at 10% progress, with the name of a podcast on screen. My best guess is that the podcast it got stuck on no longer exists in the iTunes library or whatever, but I had no option to simply skip it. I had to cancel the whole operation, and was left with only 10 of the 80 or so podcasts I was trying to import.
Cheers,
Dave

I think the developer didn't get the concept of what the router option actions does for us. So the facebook app is an example of how actions work. Not a good one, but still. Visually, the app shows the like, comment and more buttons to the right of posts like the episode list does for the player, but to Voiceover, you have to set the router to the actions option and swipe up and down to see the set of options, like, comment etc, Too voiceOver the visual like comment and more button's aren't shown. once the post is opened, the facebook post has all the buttons shown. but on the list of posts it uses the actions router option. so For the podcast player, you could have the actions to play, download, etc in the voiceover actions menu, and not in the way of scrolling through episodes or podcasts. Maybe someone can explain this much much better than i can, but hopefully this kind of helps a bit.

Hi. No worries, I've sent you that OPML file now.
I also have a question. I selected the Add To Queue button on a few podcast episodes, but I can't find the queue anywhere? I can find downloaded episodes no problem, but that seems to be different. Where do episodes you add to queue go?
Dave

Custom action support would be super useful. You swipe up and down when focused on a control to quickly access common actions. For example in the iOS Mail app, swipe up and down to quickly do things like delete messages, or edit icons on the home screen. TalkBack supports these as well, but I'm not sure if it's available to third-party apps. The only places I've found support for it are the Pixel Launcher and Gmail. I'm using a Pixel 7 with the latest version of TalkBack and Android 14, so I'm not sure if it's different on other devices. I prefer Pixel phones because just like the iPhone, you know exactly what you're getting.

May I ask, what is the USP of this app over something like the apple podcasts app? I'm really glad you are considering accessibility and will be happy to give feedback, but unless it does something better than any pre-existing app, I might have to give it a miss.

This is really important and allows a voiceover user to get things done quickly. I would strongly suggest you use tools that allow for proper accesibility support. If it is missing Rotor support what else is it missing? Until Rotor support is added I can't even consider using it as my fulltime podcast player.

It's not a bad podcastplayer, I just can't find the chapters that I know are in certain podcasts I listen to.

But I do like how you can import and export OPML files, something you can't do with the native podcast app on iOS.

Hello Ben, I have set the player to start in full screen mode in the settings. But this doesn't happen when I start a podcast. I really like the app itself, but I'm still missing something. I have subscribed to around 40 podcasts and it would be nice if there was a view of the unplayed episodes. Otherwise I have to check every podcast to see if there is a new episode. Thank you for your efforts and best wishes from Germany

Thank you for explaining. Yes, absolutely, sometimes it's the flavour of the app that appeals, even if it does something similar it might just be there are preferred ways of working. For example, I hate the audible app, but love prologue, even if it is a lot more work. Clariety of the UI, for us especially, is very important.

I listen to three, now only twothat supports chapters.

I'll paste the urls that I got from iTunes.

https://feeds.transistor.fm/appleinsider

http://maccessibility.net/feed-podcast.rss

https://pinecast.com/feed/livingblindfully

That last one is the one I tested to see if there were chapters, and sadly that podcast shut down.

The other two definitely use chapters cause I see them in grover on windows.

I also can't find chapters in apple podcasts, go figure.

But hopefully this can help.

Turn on the mini player, then turn on cue: The chapter will show up. Just double tap on the one that shows up to bring up the rest.

Hi. As I was exploring the settings in the app, which I am doing now, I notice VoiceOver saying, "button," which is a Back button, because screen recognition is somehow on for the app, and then I flick right where I find another Back button. These do the same thing. I don't think there should be 2 back buttons. It was kind of weird seeing 2 back buttons. I haven't tried any podcasts yet, but that's my feedback. Thanks and have a good day.