thoughts on the slow death of small phones

I'm only worried about the damn thing getting in the way, and it not fitting comfortably in my hand, and having to carry it in my hand because it's too gigantic to fit in a pocket. That being said, I usually have a backpack with me and it could hold a laptop, so not too big a deal. Plus, I have a holder with a belt clip.
I do benefit from a screen, even though I'm totally blind. I sometimes need to show pictures to sighted people, or ask them about something on the screen. It might be nice to have more area for things to fit on the screen too, or at least make the buttons a little larger.

I wouldn't go so far as to wonder if disability groups need to put pressure on tech companies to make a smaller form factor. The fact of the matter is, bigger screen, bigger battery, better sounding speakers and probably better mics as well. I won't say that having a larger phone is easy to hold sometimes, yet thanks to women never needing a pocket, my larger phone will slip into my purse and be fine. What I meant by my subject line is as soon as Apple changes something, people have this en mass panic moment. It happened with the headphone jack, then the home button left. Unless or until I really have an issue such as if Apple goes for the haptic feedback of volume buttons, I take things in stride. I'd rather get the price of phones down then the size. I remember paying 300 bucks and you have your phone. Now upgrade each year, or spend twenty bucks a month for three years to pay it off. What if your phone you just paid off is now not supported? I'm not one to have the latest and greatest each year, but with little changing but cameras each year, I don't see much point. Now i'd like to upgrade to maybe a 14 but until then, my 12 will be fine. I do try to upgrade when a phone is near it's end of life as I don't relish the idea of an out of date OS.

As much as we'd like Apple to do X Y or Z with hardware and/or software, the sad truth is they don't care. Apple does whatever they want unless forced to change something by entities such as the EU, and only because the threat of not being able to do business is far more important than their elitist attitude. That's it! We need to initiate a global policy that stipulates that Apple cannot sell their products unless they constantly ensure accessibility features work for everyone, and bugs are promptly resolved. You'd better believe Tim would change his tune really quick! What a lovely pipe dream!
The removal of the headphone jack isn't courageous. Rather, it's an attempt to push their overpriced Bluetooth headphones, as well as increasing the market for MFi Lightning accessories. Rather than providing users with a choice of whether they want to use Face or Touch ID, the elitists have decided everyone will be just fine using Face ID. If not, that's too bad. You either play by the rules in Apple land, or GTFO!
Apple is also really good at the whole planned obsolescence thing, and I can't 100% blame them. Their business model is selling hardware, so they have tons of incentive to get as many people to get new devices as often as possible. This doesn't mean I like it, not at all. Aldous Huxley was spot on in Brave New World!

Agree to disagree on my subject line. Commitment to the environment for any tech company is a complete farce. It's just keeping the climate change idiots happy. This behavior is true for accessibility commitment also. Despite the competition, it's obvious whatever one company comes up with, the others say hey we can do that, and find an alternative. If Apple's prices keep going through the roof, I don't care how big a screen, I'll spend a smaller amount of money, deal with accessibility hangups just so my computer that answers the phone isn't above the price of a computer which i'm writing on.

I mean it's kinda the point of a phone is to be small, and, like, not heavy, so if I gonna buy me a nice...let's say, iphone 16, next year, finding it's about the size of my first ipad mini, then I might as well have not bought it at all. It's basically an ipad now. I do have something to say, though, about the slow death of the homebutton. Physical sim cards and headphone jacks is the kinda thing I'm ok with losing, but if the next thing Apple decides to eliminate is USB charging, I will just straight up not even think about it. For now, I am still happy enough with my ol' faithful SE 2022.

Hi! As someone with small hands who has always preferred smaller iPhone models for that reason, I have read this thread with interest. I currently have an iPhone SE 2020, which may be considered too old for IOS 18 next year, so I am seriously considering what should be my next phone. I have room for any size phone in my handbag, but even 6.1 inches seems like a big size change after using 4.7-inch phones since I got my iPhone 6 in 2014: however, with the SE 2022 probably not having great battery life, and no more iPhone mini models, that's the size of phone I'll probably end up with. I also have to consider the fact that if I get an iPhone 15 I'll have several Lightning accessories I will no longer be able to use, and I can't predict how well Face ID will work for me, but I'll cross those bridges when I come to them.

I'm not sure where the perception that the iPhone SE 3rd gen has poor battery life comes from, but I've owned one for the past year and a half, and it's not been my experience at all. I regularly get 2 days out of a battery charge. That is, I generally put my phone on to charge every other night. I use it daily for phone calls, texting and listening to audiobooks, podcasts and music. The battery life seems to be somewhat better than that of the iPhone 8 I had before. Perhaps the new Pro models would last me 3 or 4 days between charges, but I'm very, very happy with my iPhone SE 3rd gen and its performance.

I'm currently writing this from my iPhone 13 Mini, which has provided me with the best and most accessible iOS experience out of all the phones I've had. It's great for one-handed use and works well with my small hands for braille screen input. I have tried using BSI on 5.8-inch and larger phones and it does not work well, even after calibration. Battery life is getting to be an issue with my Mini but I'd rather have a phone I can comfortably use that needs a charge once in a while than a phone I cannot use that happens to not need charge as much. I hope that Apple releases a small phone with reasonable specs (maybe even the LIDAR sensor for outdoor navigation) at some point but I'm not holding my breath.

It isn't that bad. Face ID works well.

As somebody who has mainly owned small phones since I started my Apple Korea, I personally don’t like the way Apple is going when it comes to making bigger phones at this point I don’t like the way that every company is going like you have tablets for a reason you have like iPads and tablets with like 7 inch and 8 inch and nine and 10 and 11 inches in 12 inches in 13 inches in hell even one of Samsung galaxy tablet, 714.6 inch screen there’s just honestly no need for it on the iPhone or any smart phone Like I’m questioning who won earth would need a 6.9 inch display as blind or visually impaired person.
Dennis honestly is 6.1 inch display might be hard to hold for people who have small hands like me.

I am very bothered by the disappearance of small phones. You’re right that more variety should be available for people with disabilities, but there’s also a bigger, more general crowd: women. Children too, as it is now the norm for them to all have phones. I have normal, female hands, and it’s very evident that these large designs are a part of the gender data gap. Modern phones are too large and heavy for me to hold for very long at a time. I also used to be able to hold phones with one hand, and it’s certainly a challenge but I try frequently with my iPhone SE 2nd gen (which is a smaller phone than most available right now!). I get an uncomfortable indent in my pinky from holding it, and in scenarios where my other hand is busy, it’s hard to send a text with one hand, but near impossible to take a photo. That’s the part that drives me crazy.

Can we address how un-ergonomic phones are now? (Especially with the absence of landlines). I can’t hold my phone to my ear longer than a couple minutes because it HURTS. I have no choice but to use speakerphone or headphone. I had to get a phone holder for my car that charges wirelessly because I cannot charge my phone and talk on it at the same time! (I also need the headphones to talk on the phone in the car so I can hear and be heard). Not everybody has enough $ for a newer vehicle with built in bluetooth. I have a bluetooth adaptor, but the quality is too poor for calls.

Additionally, I truly miss having physical buttons and a keyboard I can feel, like a blackberry. This is also a feature that surely individuals with low vision or no vision miss as well. I miss buttons in cars too - apparently it’s cheaper to just install a screen in the new vehicles. It lacks character. Just like all the other interior and architectural designs lacking character and creativity in this late stage capitalist society.

"If it's bigger than a handful. . . "

*cough*

I mean, bring back the Minis !! 😇

I currently use an iPhone SE2 otherwise known as the SE 2020. I absolutely love the physical design of this phone.

I am not talking about camera specs or 4G vs 5G, etc, but rather the physical dimensions of the iPhone. It is sleek, slender, and fits into a pocket like nobodies business.

It is also one of the last iPhone models that can truly lay flat on a surface without wobbling, so long as you have it in a case.

So, bring back the smaller form factor and damn this smack-tarded trend of who has the bigger d. . . SmartPhone. 😁

They would easily fit in our pockets and be smaller yet better, with a more compact design and portability as a priority, but these companies revive and promote once outdated stuff so well that you almost think it's entirely new, unique and unprecedented. Even AI, which is artificial for sure but far from deserving to be called "intelligence", is wildly advertised as a revolutionary leap forward towards humanlike conscious robots and stuff, but it's because all the global giants do is imitate one another that rumors are now speculating around that Apple will also likely incorporate this thing into iOS 18.

Finally! Wow! I thought nobody else would even consider this. The death of small phones. Let me rant for a moment. This is not cool. What is wrong with small phones? they're too small? They're easy to carry around? They are decently easy to use? Well, clearly all they want is the money. Apple does, they think not giving users a choice and presenting them with a giant monstrosity of a phone which is all camera and is like 5 pounds, that it'll make them rich. Money-hungry and self-centered, just like they've always been. In five years I bet, there will be no iphone, but a completely unportable headset that might not even have voiceover. Because too many people complain about screen readers, that apple just be like, well, just make people happy, no chance of you being slightly annoyed with something you can live with, except others less fortunate then us cant. But we don't care about those people, now do we? Bring on the riches. That's just all of apple's decisions to me. The Oliver Kennett could not have put it better.
There are many petitions about this, all of which I have signed, and I would be happy to share with you all.

Oh, and Apple, in its never-ending audacity, is discontinuing the iphone SE.

Why do so many people type iphone instead of iPhone? Proofread your messages. Doesn't iphone sound wrong? As a user of the iPhone 14 pro, I get better battery life, better sound, and a faster phone than the smaller phones. I will be able to accept the newest operating systems for quite some time, and I have not used much more than half of my 512 gigs of space. And I wish that people would quit with this garbage about Apple doesn't care. If they didn't care, Voice-Over would not exist, nor would accessibility features.

After all, they were indeed small phones, in fact smaller than iPhones in some cases, and some were (or were touted as being) indestructible. Or, you can stop whining, stop complaining, join the 21st century like the rest of us, and experience the many benefits that come with owning a larger phone. And yes, I do mean benefits. Really obvious things like, oh, I don't know...

• A larger display
• A better camera system
• A bigger battery
• Better speakers and microphones
• More space for better and faster chips and other components

I realize not everyone may view a change as good, but that doesn't automatically make it bad for everyone else, or even a majority of people. Apple, as did many other smartphone manufacturers, saw the benefits of and the customer demand for larger phones years ago and started capitalizing on said demand just like any good business would. They gave customers what they wanted, and obviously it's paid off in spades for the Cupertino giant and pretty much the rest of the marketplace too, not to mention the customers that are happy with their better cameras and longer-lasting batteries. In fact, you'll recall that Apple was initially a hold-out when it came to making larger phones, or has that been forgotten in the never-ending world of hating Apple? As an aside, for all of you wishing smaller smartphones were still the norm - should we bring back the woefully underpowered but at least very small netbook too? Or do you prefer your larger laptop keyboards, 20-hour batteries, spacious glass trackpads, and M-series processors? That's what I thought.

So, if you really want a small phone, perhaps you'll find one in the Android world somewhere by a manufacturer who hasn't yet joined those who think big, or in Apple's case, who think different. Or perhaps you'll be able to find an older, smaller iPhone that, while it may not have the latest features, the longest lifespan, or the current operating system, may still meet your needs. Regardless, either those two avenues are better than thinking Apple or any other major manufacturer is going to continue the small smartphone game; they've moved on, and you should too. Life sucks sometimes, we can't always have our cake and eat it too, but that's the reality and we might as well face it and learn to adapt; it's the best thing any of us can do in a situation like this, wherein the benefits of larger phones clearly outweigh any negatives they may introduce.

One other thing to add - while I love a woman with small hands, I also understand the difficulties they may have in holding larger phones. However, don't you believe smartphone manufacturers understand those difficulties as well? They've sold millions upon millions of larger phones, a large percentage of which have been sold to women with small hands, and yet somehow the world hasn't ground to a halt and larger phones have not yet fallen out of favor. So there does appear to be a solution. I don't claim to know what that is, but it's out there; if it wasn't, women wouldn't want ever larger devices. I also am not saying women with small hands aren't experiencing issues holding or dealing with small phones; just that solutions are already available for them today.

We live in a broken, fallen world, full of people who will complain about any change to the status quo of their lives. Sometimes those complaints are truly warranted because the changes behind them truly are not, and sometimes a change is made for the wrong reason, a selfish reason, or to be harmful or hurtful. Larger phones don't fall into any of those categories though, and as already covered in this and many other comments, actually provide significant benefits to their owners. So to all the complainers out there, I say this: you have two options - continue complaining or try to adapt to the changing times. Which will you choose? You may find you still don't like larger phones even after giving them a fair shot, or maybe you already have given them a fair shot, but either way this is the way smartphones are heading, so you might as well get used to it and start reaping the benefits like the rest of the world. Good luck.

Oh and yes, it is indeed written as iphone. Not iphone, i phone, or I-Phone. Good call. And while we're on the subject: iOS. Not IOS (which is trademarked by Cisco, for those who were curious).

I'll tell you what it is, folks, I'll tell you what it is: the bigger these iPhones get the less easy it is to put them in a suit pocket. My iPhone will no longer fit comfortably in my suit jacket. I have to put it in my trouser pocket instead. Before long, I'm sanguine even that will not suffice. what am I meant to do then? What am I to do when I go off to Saunton Sands hotel this summer with Mrs Bingo for a long weekend I have booked and where one has to dress in jacket and tie for dinner? if you make phones bigger and bigger,

Subject line says it. I have a smaller 12 but i wouldn't mind having a larger screen. I'd take that over the dismal speakers they are having now.

Fanny packs for the win !! Also, the UK peeps will possibly not get that reference. . .

*runs away*

How is it that you can use being blind as a specific reason as to why Apple should make a smaller phone? I mean, for people who can't hear, should we take the speakers out too?
They include VoiceOver on all phones, so you still have access to them equally as you would with any iOS device. You also get exactly the same OS and features, better performance faster and more enjoyable.
How would you expect a small phone to have the latest features? To run as well, if you want a small phone, I'd imagine you're not a power user, get an SE and make it work for you. We have to eventually change and adapt, at one point we didn't even have the iPhone, we adapted to those and changed what we have and used. now we need to change with the changes, and as I said if not, hold on to your SE

The only benefits these pop-tarts offer us are better batteries and larger screens which makes Braille Screen Input easier. The mainstream market wants larger devices, so that's what we're going to get. I don't like it either, but it is what it is. I wish we could go back to phones with buttons, but the market clearly isn't interested in that. Ah well.

I've seen the arguments for and against. To those who think women would prefer smaller phones, I honestly had to laugh. I know quite a few ladies, my girlfriend included, who think my iPhone 13 is too small. And my girlfriend has quite feminine hands, so hand size is clearly not a reason to go for smaller phones. Being blind and preferring a smaller phone? Doesn't add up. My first phone was quite small. I was blind when I got it. The small size, far from being a benefit, was actually an issue. Typing on that phone was, shall we say, highly unpleasant.

The only argument for smaller phones that makes sense to me is the conc ern that phones may eventually get so big that carrying them in one's pocket becomes near impossible. When you have a phone the size of an iPad Mini propped up to your head, then it's time to really be concerned. I imagine that phone manufacturers are well aware of this, however. So no, mostly I can't get behind the idea of smaller phones for all but one reason. The phone I have now is perfectly sized for me, but I wouldn't have a problem using a Pro or Max if I could get my hands on one.

Hi All,

As one might expect, the pendulum swings in both directions. While Apple and its major competitors may be getting larger and larger at the moment, doubtless due to an overdose of testosterone, other smart phone makers have been going in the opposite direction.

Just for example, a month or so ago I read a review on the world's smallest smart phone. Sorry I don't remember the make and model, but you can probably find it by googling smallest smart phone.

Anyway, this tiny thing is a rectangle equal to about 4 or 5 stacked books of matches. Seriously. Real small. and, of course, there's a market for small phones. Otherwise, no one would be making them.

So, to conclude, just like hems on dresses which go up and own as fashion changes, or the boxy versus moonie design of automobiles, the size of smart phones will generally change over time with the swing of the fashion pendulum. Personally, I prefer small. Although I have a 15 Pro now, I loved the size of my old iPhone 5s, and I look forward to a pro version of that sized phone in gthe future. AI will likely enable pones to shrink (such as by dropping the letter h), along with the never ending shrinking world of the CPU. What are we down to now? 3 milli micro whats

Smile. Joy to you all!

Bruce
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my point is to do with the whole concept of a mobile phone. I cannot keep my 13 in my suit jacket. It sticks out to the extent that it's liable to half-inched on the Tube. You've got to pick a pocket or two, boys, you've got to pick a pocket or two. Remember, a gentleman ought not to sit with his suit jacket buttoned up. it ruins the cut of the cloth. The sticking out situation is therefore aggravated. if the phone gets much bigger it'll not fit my trousers neither. Then what, I say, shall I do? Will I become known for a trademark handbag, like Margaret Thatcher?

When the smartphones get too big like some of the earlier cellphones that were way too chunky to fit into a pocket, then it's time to whip out the old belt clips. 😃

When will it ever end? When will it ever end? The answer my friend, is going to be a phone with seats that can do freeway speeds and get excellent mileage with 6g internet.

As mentioned above, we can start worrying when people are left holding iPads up to their ears to make a phone call. . .

When buying clothes, I tend to love clothes with big pockets that hold my iPhone 12 Pro. And the iPhone 13 I have to carry for work. When I don't have pockets, a fanny pack will do.
I'm a woman with average woman hands. I prefer my phone for Braille Screen Input to my husband's iPhone 12 Mini. I'm considering updating to a max size phone when the 16s come out, so I can use BSI in table-top mode.

I loved the 4s, and was hesitent every time I had to choose between updating and keeping my phone small, but I've decided to embrace the bigger size.

Face ID, adapted.
No headphone jack, adapted.

Do I care if Apple cares? No. I also don't care if Macdonalds or Walmart or Amazon cares, as long as they sell me a product I can use. Making money is why they're in business, and they get some of my money, because they make something I want.

Apple brought back smaller phones. Not enough sold to make good business sense, so they discontinued the models. That's what a business does.

Just my 2 cents.

It is those defending Apple under all circumstances that are whining the most and always saying that others are throwing baseless accusations at Apple. They are also either unwilling or somehow unable to grasp or acknowledge certain arguments. The problem is that bigger devices are advertised as better in every aspect and situation, and those Apple fans buy that argument for $0, or whatever the price of their devices are. What I am trying to say, in turn, is that it is this very promotion strategy where the problem lies. We once had large, bulky, hefty cell phones. Then came keypad smartphones, and we were able to use them with the aid of Talks&Zooms, Mobile Speak or Nokia Screen Reader. Then came touchscreen devices towards the end of Symbian's golden era, and tablets were also introduced to the public. We had to use large devices once again, regardless of whether we wanted that or were happy about it, which is the very problem. The demand for tablets declined over the last years, but smartphones and touchscreen devices are now getting bigger and bigger. In a few years, tablets will probably make a comeback, and in a decade or so, a trend towards smaller device will replace them once again. This is mainly because companies pretend to make stuff that is totally new, unique, unprecedented and even unheard of, ignoring customer needs and demands for the most part.

My 14 pro fits into my shirt pocket. I never, ever, ever put a phone in my pants pocket. Remember the panic, brought on by the media, about the iPhone 6 bending? People were keeping them in their pants pockets and sitting on them, so the phones bent. I will not buy any iPhone pro max due to the hugeness. The phone is supposed to be portable. Size matters. This has nothing to do with being blind, either.

Remember the panic caused when one lad'y phone exploded in her pocket> I never, ever, ever put phones in my shirt pockets. It's far too easy for the thousand dollar plus tech to fall and hurt itself, gorilla glass or not. Better the pants pocket, where at least you can be assured it will stay where it is, unless one has particularly voluminous pockets. BTW, why do people put phones in their back pockets?

The reason that apple stop making them was that people were not bying it. According to Apple. The issue was more about battery and how long it lasted. Have 13 pro. Do not know about android phones but that is what apple stated.

There's more space to watch tv and play games and all that. If I were sighted; I'd probably either go for a tablet or a large phone for those reasons.

I'm not and we're not so we go for smaller phones, well ok, most of us, that makes sense but there's reasons why companies are doing what they do.

Also people, coats/jackets with zips are a thing, I've not dropped a phone once whilst outside because I put it in my coat pocket, pop the popper so my pocket is closed and go from there.

I love my 13 pro, next phone will probably be a Pro Max. I understand that people have their preferences, and don't think being blind has anything to do with it. As has already been pointed out, Apple tried bringing back smaller phones or keeping a small version around, and they didn't sell nearly as well. For a guy, I don't have huge hands, but found Braille screen input to be almost impossible on the smaller screens. I also don't want to hold something the size of my iPad up to my head, but the size of a pro or pro max still fits in my front pockets, so I am good. Even if smaller phones were to continue being made, there's nothing that would convince me to go back. Last smaller phone I had was the SE from 2020. It was not to small, but given the choice I'm much happier with what I have now, and even when the SE was new, charging at least twice a day was annoying. Now, with my 13 pro, I can usually make it through a day, but barely.

For the trend whores among us. . .

Recent YouTube posts are showing a growing interest in the iPhone 13 Mini, now that it has become another casualty of Apple's defunct lineup. People are looking to these Minis as an alternative everyday model for the convenience and portability they offer, and since the 13 Mini is the 13, with a scaled down battery, I can't really see why anyone would have anything negative to say about this particular model.

Yet, scroll back up to my first line of this post. In fact, read through many similar topics here on AppleVis and similar websites, and you will find one thing in common; Trendy people do what other trendy people do for the sake of trendiness.

This debate falls under the same level of stupid, as debates about "iPhone vs Android", or "Windows vs Mac". The bottom line is that one side will (never) convince the other that their chosen platform is superior. Because, like it or not folks, in the end it only matters to the individual user.

So those of you that b*tch and moan about "getting on with the tines" can take your extra large devices and shove them down your collective throats. Because, unless someone thinks like you do, nobody really cares what (you) think is superior. Sure, we may all ask opinions about products, services, and ideas, but we do not ask such things to be judged by idiots with a high school mentality and a superiority complex. Likewise, for those of you who prefer smaller devices. And yes, I am including myself in this category. If you like smaller. Good, great, terrific! Be proud of your choices. Hell even stand up for what you believe in. however, why bother trying to explain to someone with a surf board for a smartphone why your device is better? Is it better for you? Absolutely. On the other hand, perhaps the other person likes to do a bit of surfing while texting their buddies. . .

In the end I have one simple point I am trying to make here; like what you like and stop judging everyone else who does not like what you like.

Thank you. That is all. 🙇🏼‍♂️

At the end of the day if it works for you, it works for you, screw anyone else.

The reasons I would not go back to a smaller phone, and probably the reason they don't sell as well, are that the battery doesn't last for as long, and they don't offer all of the features of the bigger phones. However, for me, the pro maxes are too big. Also, to those who put the phone in your pants pocket, do you have the problem of triggering your phones when moving, sitting, or reaching for your phone? Also, if my phone were in my pants pocket instead of my shirt pocket, and I am using GPS, I cannot hear Voice-Over. I do not travel wearing ear buds or a headset.

By pants pocket, I'm referring to one of the front pockets, not the back pocket. Yes, the phone sometimes trigger's while I'm moving. This is an annoyance, but I can justify it with the knowledge that my phone dropping would be more of a catastrophe than an annoyance. My phone streams to my hearing aids, so VoiceOver only disturbs me. I do work that require a considerable amount of bending, hence why I prefer my pants pocket to my shirt, and the climate I live in isn't usually conducive to coat-wearing.

As stated above, everyone's preferences are their own. I have what I consider good, practical reasons to avoid small phones. The guy or gal who wants their smaller phone has what they consider good, practical reasons for their choice. Live and let live, I say.

You can't wear a zip-up anorak or something over a suit jacket. all right, you might get away with it if you had a smart one and it was a day that justified it and if you were outside, but what about inside? And what about when the weather's nice? I'm not going to work looking like a bloody tramp!

Bum bags are all very well but did you know it's quite easy for someone to pinch one of those? On a crowded platform or in a crowded train carriage?

So I get wanting a smaller phone. I honestly find myself trending towards bigger things when it comes to stuff that I am going to have to interface with. I have found that with a good sized touch screen device it is easier to use in some ways. Remember that the screen isn't just there for sighted people, it is also the user interface for the phone, so if it's too small, it will be harder to interact with things on the screen. I just got a pixel tablet and I find that some things like typing and interacting with things by touch is easier sometimes because the icons and elements on the screen are bigger. I also once had one of those fancy keyboard cases for an iPad mini I had, and I found I prefer larger keyboards if I am using a qwerty one. So I usually buy a full sized one instead of one from a case. I've also had one of those keyboard cases for my eyephone that gave it a small keyboard like old smartphones used to have, and I have to say, I didn't enjoy using it. I think sometimes bigger stuff can be less convenient, but sometimes they are more efficient in some ways. I do have an Iphone SE that I enjoy using as well.

I've been following along with these posts with great amusement at times. People talk about the battery problem in small phones without ever mentioning battery cases, which add a little to thickness but next to nothing in height or width, and they double battery life or more. Smile.

People also talk about how there just aren't any small smart phones available anymore, when in reality many of them are wearing a smart watch on which they can make phone calls, among other things, and have a VERY small screen to work with, screens so small they make the old small smart phone screens look tiny incomparison.

Still, it is fun to poke fun, which many of us are doing, and even a little poetry to add some spice, although a little less poetry might be more nice. Rhyme intended.

Oh, and as for pockets, I keep my 15 pro in my shirt pocket. I could keep it in the specially made phone pocket just below my front left pants pocket that came with my pants. All my pants have it. but I don't use it uch for my phone. My shirt pocket is more convenient. Personally, I suspect anyone who sits on their phone must be hoping to get rid of it through a sudden, painful, insurable accident. Still, if they want their battery to blow up in their rear pocket, well, more power to them.

As a totally blind person and someone with smaller hands, I’ve always preferred smaller phones. That’s why when I decided to upgrade my iPhone 11 last year, I went for the 12 mini. Looking back I wonder if I should’ve considered the 13 mini instead, because that would’ve gotten me an extra year of software updates, but I’m happy with the size of this phone. Since I usually carry my iPad mini with me and a battery pack, I’m willing to sacrifice battery for a smaller handset.

Yet when Apple was selling the phone people did not get it. Now that is no longer selling, they want it. Humans are nuts. Well the SE will come in 25 maybe and people will get it if is small. Will see.

Well we're not all loyers, ahum, baristers now are we mr little?

I don't think I'd care for suits, not that i've warn one in my life but I've heard they can be quite stiff? But I don't see why you can't just ware a jacket over it with zip/pop pockets that you can put your phone in, or is it one of those visual things where looking smart is better than knowing where your phone is and that it won't be mugged?

Or is it that you'd be really uncomfortable with a suit and a jacket on top of it?

I'm not a lawyer either, but certain professions and workplaces demand or expect certain forms of dress, if not a formal dress code. Not all of us can dress to suit ourselves; some of us do work at jobs where we really must dress to impress.

Going to an event with my uncle he was able to put both a larger phone for him and a smaller one I had into both pockets, passing me my phone when texted. As i said, women have no pockets because society thinks we need those pretty pockets. For the men or those who don't have to or want to dress up, a pretty pocket is sewn just about shut, though easily sometimes opened by ripping the thread of the seam to open the pocket. Once it's opened you can barely fit two or three fingers in it. I'm talking about a blazer for reference. I do have sun dresses with pockets yet this look I think doesn't make much sense. That's where you need a clutch or purse. Anyway just thought I'd give you that take.

I completely forgot about jobs where you must dress a certain way.

@Siobhan Oh yeah! That whole thing with womens clothes not having ppockets is stupid. I could be wrong but I think the female members of my family mostly ware hoodies and jackets and things like that with pockets but I honestly don't know.

I got a friend whose a tomboy. She pretty much wears boy's pants because of the whole "no pocket" thing popular with girl's clothing. . .

So to the ladies of the world, I feel your pain. 😅

Siobhan, a suit jacket pocket can just about accommodate an iPhone 13 (it sticks out a bit when you sit down), but it's not just the size of the pocket. When you are sitting down, you are not meant to have the jacket buttoned up. As I said in an earlier post, it ruins the cut of the cloth. The result is that your pockets might be quite some way from your body and, a fortiori, easier to pick especially when the iPhone only just fits in there in the first place. With the smaller iPhones that was a lot more difficult.

Brad, I could wear a coat over my suit but as I commented previously, what about indoors? This isn't just lawyers, by the way. If I'm pitching up to teach my students I am rightly expected to look professional. I do place an intrinsic value on being smart in any case i.e. even if I were not so required, I would dress smartly. It's also the form of dress if you're going to, say, the Royal Opera House, a nice restaurant or hotel, or somewhere Like Lord's, Wimbledon or the horse races.