I had some instructions on how to create a forum post on AppleVis. It was written for a Jaws user. I pasted the original document into ChatGPT and gave it the following prompt:
“rewrite these instructions for a blind user using VoiceOver on an iPhone”
Now, the result isn’t perfect, but it literally took me 60 seconds to do…
Here's how you can navigate and post on AppleVis.com using VoiceOver on your iPhone:
1. Open Safari and visit AppleVis.com.
2. Swipe right until you hear VoiceOver say "main menu button collapsed." This is the button you need to interact with.
3. Double-tap the screen to activate the button. VoiceOver will then announce "expanded" to indicate the menu is open.
4. Swipe down to move to the next element or use the rotor to navigate by headings until you hear "main navigation heading level 2."
5. Continue swiping down. You are looking for an element that VoiceOver will announce as "link post." There might be another element that sounds similar, but you need the one that VoiceOver does not announce as "expand."
6. Double-tap on the "link post" to open a new page where the first heading should be "add content" at level 1.
7. Explore this page with a swipe down or by using headings to find the "Forum Topic" link.
8. Double-tap the "Forum Topic" link, and a new page will open with a level 1 heading "create forum topic."
On the "Create Forum Topic" page, you’ll mainly interact with:
1. An edit box for the "subject" - VoiceOver will announce this when you navigate to it.
2. A combo box for the "Forum" - select this to choose the forum category for your post.
3. An edit box for your "message" - this is where you'll type or paste the content of your post.
4. A "save" button - double-tap this after entering your post details to submit your forum topic.
Don't worry about the additional formatting or subscription options unless you want to explore these later.
To type in the "Subject" or "Message" fields, double-tap and start typing. To select a forum in the "Combo box," double-tap, swipe up or down to choose your option, then double-tap to confirm.
Once you've entered your subject and message and chosen the forum category, locate the "Save" button by swiping and double-tap it to post your topic.
I hope this helps, and I'll be on the lookout for your post! If you need further assistance, don't hesitate to ask.
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that's actually freakin impressive
I wouldn't have expected ChatGPT to be that familiar with this stuff haha.
Please no
Can we please not? ChatGPT wasn't trained on a lot of accessibility information. You can tell because it gets key commands and other things like that wrong. A lot. So please can we not do this here? Please do it on Twitter or Mastodon or your blog or something. But can we not clog up this please, where accurate information is needed over everything else?
Generative AI doesn't handle facts well
Generative AI does not necessarily produce factually correct information, so this is not a good idea unless you've thoroughly verified said information independently. A lot of content mills publish low quality, factually incorrect posts at the moment, and it'd be a sad day indeed if posts on Applevis went that route.
have to agree
I love AI and ChatGPT too, as you can tell by my other recent posts, but yeah... Don't use it for this.
Nothing pisses me off more than when I'm googling something and find ten search results that are clearly AI generated.
If I wanted AI-generated results, I'd ask an AI myself.
So yeah... Please don't slide down this slippery slope. There is nothing pleasant for you or any of us at the bottom.
AI is a fantastic tool for bouncing ideas off of, or maybe learning something new, but it's only helpful if you can have the back-and-forth dialogue with it.
Our new guideline regarding the use of AI tools like ChatGPT
Hi all, I wanted to mention that we recently added a new guideline to our general posting guidelines and rules regarding the use of AI tools like ChatGPT. This is not being mentioned in response to Lottie's first post in this thread , but rather to make the community aware of this new guideline to address some concerns mentioned above about the use of AI tools when posting to AppleVis.
The new guideline states:
We hope that this addition to our guidelines will help to maintain the high quality first-hand knowledge and advice that makes this community so valuable, while also recognizing that AI tools may play a constructive role when used thoughtfully. Thanks all!
If you want to get nitty…
If you want to get nitty-gritty about it, There are multiple inaccuracies in what ChatGPT generated for you here:
1. ChatGPT has not changed the jaws terminology, but still calls interface elements "edit box" and "combo box" instead of "text field" and "pop-up button".
2. One does, as you said yourself, swipe right to move to next element in the focus order, and up/down to navigate based on the rotor settings, not the other way around.
3. Step five is unclear.
4. Step 7 is probably ment to either say something about using explore by touch (sliding one finger on the screen), or just navigating through the focus order by swiping left and right in addition to exploring by headings, but again it's hard to tell.
5. The instructions for handling the combo box, as ChatGPT calls it, are wrong.
This is what I mean. On the surface, the post makes sense, but there are multiple inaccuracies.
Be careful with your words!
Do keep in mind that we're just as disabled as you and them, so we don't expect any one of you to do things that the disabled would normally find challenging, absurd, meaningless or otherwise inappropriate. Proofreading and just being reasonable are definitely not things that the visually-impaired can't do, at least solely as they're disabled, so just stop blabbering nonsense about things you're trying to respond to without fully grasping, being dramatical, and attributing everything to your disability. Since you've been accusing everyone and me in particular of being arrogant and not understanding anything when it's actually you who dramatically responds to points made about others without getting them, I consider your attitude as downright arrogant and unreasonable. You actually deserve far harsher remarks and insults, but I won't bother. Let me give you some piece of advice before you delete your account though: What others will most likely feel is hatred and fury, or mercy at best, if you keep on being a dramatic attention seeker, whining about everything and *abusing* your visual impairment as a pretext in every situation.
Oh wow...
The "blind community," no matter where I go, be it audiogames.net or here love to put others down.
this was just a bit of fun, that's it.
I've just reread this and you know what, it got about 99% of it correct. No you don't swipe up and down through comboboxes, you swipe left and right on the IPhone, but yeah, this is impressive.
And yes I'm calling it a combo box because if this person is a jaws user they will understand what that word means.
I've been one of those who has written to dominic about his spelling but in this case I have to agree with @Disgusted. Some blind people do just like to act like they're teenagers arguing back in the 2000s and the saddest part of it all is these peple don't grow up.
@disgusted, I hope you can break away from the blind community and live your life because as much as we can be useful to one another; we can also put each other down and make each other feel like shite.
These types of people won't care.
They'll say things like, go then, and bye bye, they did it to me on audiogames.net when I mentioned leaving, now to be fair on them, I did leave then come back a year later only to leave again a day later so I can totally get how that can be annoying and I've learnt from that.
People won't care that you leave because basically peple don't care about individuals on the internet and it makes sense, I do the same thing, but I'd hope someone can learn from this like I have with audiogames.net.
I won't be deleting my account because I find this site useful but sadly I'm not surprised this happened.