RC's are now available for iOS 17, macOS 14, watchOS 10, and more!

Since this is the RC, do I need to have beta off now. Do not want to keep testing any beta. Do I wait for next week? Thanks.

Thanks.

Hi guys.
This issue I mentioned in the subject line has been present since couple of betas.
I just reported this to Apple today.

Hello all:
will it be exactly the same? or do i need to download the public Release next week?
and did applevis make a blog about it's features and it's bugs?

Barring any updates to today's releases, they will be identical to what will be released next week in the case of iOS 17, iPadOS 17, watchOS 10, and tvOS 17, and the following week in the case of macOS Sonoma. AppleVis will have more detailed coverage of these releases' new features and bugs in the coming days.

Do not see what you are reporting.Please more info. Thanks.

The subject says it all. They are very cool, rc has more than twenty sounds and warning tones. In addition, the old ones were overhauled with vibration and small touches.

As above, suspense has a fantastic haptic now as does my current text tone. Typewriters. I’m not sure about a lot of the new ringtones though. I wonder how apple made the decisions of what to put in. I mean these are going to be around forever so you know they put a lot of thought and probably money into it. Some of them are very offbeat, some are a little dystopean, some are a bit weird. A few of the haptics really are fantastic though. There’s one where the haptic matches the lower notes of the piano. It’s great but not loud enough to be my ringtone. I think I’d have liked a few more happy and playful tones but maybe they will grow on me. I like about 4 of them but probably not enough to change. Speaking of which, they changed the default. It starts out differently then merges into its old tune at the end. Again interesting. I wonder how they make the decisions they do. I’m surprised they changed reflection because it’s a free advert whenever it goes off in public. Like McDonalds playing that whistle really loud on the radio ads, everyone recognises it. Seems like a strange thing to play around with.

Other than ringtones, are there any vo improvements?

hi!
just notice that the notification sound changed.
how can we get back to the old one ?

Hi all,

Unfortunately, their's no reverting back. I'm liking the new notification sounds.

Wow! There's new ringtones? That's awesome! My question is:
Is there any... I guess old-school ringtones? Or even modern versions of old-school ringtones. What I mean is, an actual old-fashioned ring sound. I don't know how else to put it. It'd be nice if there was because, I've been thinking about purchasing a couple tones, (a text tone that's more old-school/professional, and, a ringtone) I think those types of ringtones are easier to hear especially if you're jamming, or away from your phone. Plus, all 3 of us in my house have cell phones now. Dad took the old-fashioned bell ringer. And so did every one else it seems like. :-) ;-) Plus, there's the added things of, distingishing my phone from my folks, and maybe other people's out in public. Plus, distingishing which notification I'm getting. Because face it, having the tri-tone for EVERY APP is confusing! Plus, I like those old-schinol ringtones as a matter of personal preference. But, in lieu of purchasing ringtones, (because I'm tempted, but, my inner cheap skate screams no) I thought about looking for a way to make ringtones from phone ring sound effects that I find online. A way that doesn't involve a computer which I have no access to, or, GarageBand, because, I've heard the hoffror stories. :-)

Apple gives and takes away. All of my personally created alert tones are no longer available to be assigned as my Text Tone. They were available all throughout the beta cycle until the RC released today. I'm hoping that this is a bug and will be fixed soon.

Well subject says it all. A total disgrace that Apple will release an operating system with one of their native apps broken. Shocking.

Already reported to apple around a month ago. With a Bluetooth keyboard pressing up and down arrow when not in quicknav to move around the note, the only thing VO says is the top line of the note or paragraph.

I've been experiencing this since 16.5 I believe, but it seems to be worse in iOS 17. Is anyone experiencing, when one is swiping through items while VoiceOver is already reading content, that sometimes it feels like VoiceOver is repeating speech fragments in the beginning of new content? It was prevalent with Eloquence on iOS 16, but now seems to be present on other voices as well.

This needs to be reported. I don't like the new notification sounds. We should be able to return to the old sounds.

The bug where VoiceOver volume increased dramatically when connected to a bluetooth speaker and a new sound was initiated seems to have been fixed

@Mlth Yes, it was noticeable in all iOS 17 betas, and it's found its way into RC. Really disappointing IMO.

This one has been driving me crazy and blowing my ears out for years. I have VO volume very quiet especially when others are around. Putting the phone next to my ear while music is playing on a speaker then having my ears fisted every few seconds is honestly something I think Apple should be taken to court over. It really wasn’t funny. At all.

Subject says it all. As wonderful as my iPhone 7 has been, it looks like I'm due for an upgrade soon. In fact, I'm going to discuss this with my parents in a couple weeks. I assume some of this new stuff will be in Mac OS Sonoma as well. I've heard one of the new ring tones and like it. Forget which one though.

not to look down on anyone, but change is a part of life, so does the updates. I am not referring to the VoiceOver bugs, hope they will fix them soon. I am referring to the ringtones that Apple have installed. I am happy that they have got the new ringtones and haptic feedbacks and looking forward to them next week.

They do not like new things of doing. Face ID, and so on.

I took the plunge and enrolled my iPhone 12 in the public beta program. I am excited for all the new enhancements and features. How will this impact the public release next week? Do I need to delete the beta profile and install the public release?
Tia. :)

Unless Apple find a big big bug there will be another RC. However probably not. It will be the public release next week.

I won't be updating my phone until I know that bug is fixed, because I have and use loads of text alert tones I made. On my iPad running the RC of iOS 17, I'm not having the issue of Voiceover sort of stuttering over itself. But that's made Eloquence in iOS 16 almost impossible to use.

As I've been testing the RC version, the behavior of alert tones doesn't work as expected. I am unable to customize ringtones or alert tones. Ex. I want my email to be reflection but I can't seem to find it within settings. The new ringtones aren't shown in default mail alerts or vm alerts. Hope they fix this soon.

If you have not done so do a reset. They show in my 13 pro. The new tones are OK, nothing to write home about!

the notification tones are rubbish in my view the new ringtones are better and the classics like tritone etc. still present they are under the classic button from what can tell. hope this helps

Hi how do you change the notification tone to the old classic tones?

dennis just curious please, what is the new default tone anyway, its name? i just found a classic button after the 8 or so new notifications tones which i find quite dull if I am honest and then tritone etc. are in the classic area which you get to by selecting the "classic" button at the bottom of the notifications sounds window

When you tap on the setting you want to change, your custom tones should appear at the top. My purchased ones show up, so I would think your custom-made ones should appear there alongside the purchased tones.

I’ve been having a look around Dennis, I don’t think it’s possible. Sorry. I’ve spent about half an hour googling too. It looks like the only tones you have control over are the obvious ones. Some apps will have settings in the app but I’m guessing its the general alert tone you want to change back to tree tone which from what I’ve been able to find out, can’t be done.

According to the Feedback app, there have been 10+ similar reports so they definitely know. We just have to keep being the "squeaky wheel" if we want access to our personally created and/or purchased alert tones.
my report number is: FB13165568 if you want to reference it in your reports.

On iOS 17 RC, i've tried connected my Braille Display many times to my iPhone 13 Pro Max. It said Braille Display Connected, but there is no single letter appear on my Display from my iPhone. Do you experience this problem too? Is there any solution? Thanks.

First, on the ipHone, my purchased ringtones downloaded fine. My text tone, isn't. That's kinda weird. In the Mac RC release, on this site in particular, when you go by form controls, the subject field then edit fields should be visible to voice over. Unfortunately, it goes to "save". Hoping the last minute things get fixed in a future update.

As others have pointed out, all the original ringtones and text tones have moved to the Classic category, available at the bottom of the list. I also like the mods they did to Reflection, it's a bit more cool now with the extra notes.
Ringtone setting has worked flawwlessly for me. I have Milkyway as my ringtone and Welcome as my text tone. I asked my Echo Dot to call my phone and it worked with no problems. I have been receiving texts from people and it's been playing Welcome just fine. Perhaps try rebooting your device.

For those who are dying to hear the ringtones early, assuming you don't have the RC or do not want to upgrade, I've provided a link to a video I made on my channel showing all the new ringtones and text tones.
You can find it here:
https://youtu.be/kG6KhoUsYAQ?si=ikkP9o65l0ZoDpAO

I like all the new ringtones and sound alerts. Yeah, all of them. I don't know if I'm gonna use them all but they all sound interesting to my ears.

Hi all. I’m on the RC build of iOS 17. I am unable to set varies ringtones as alerts. I can only set them as ringtones. I think this is a bug and hopefully it is fixed soon. I’ve reported this to feedback app.

The text tones are ok, but I'm still mystified as to why no one else is bothered on here by this. Go to any ring or text tone, tap it. No problem right? Then turn speech off, not voice over, same behavior. turn off voice over completely, you'll see the sounds are a good 20 to 25% louder. Why am i the only one who either noticed this or is bugged by it? It's hard enough when the phone's buried halfway in my purse. No this is not audio ducking, I turn off that the moment i get a phone.

I’m sure you’ve already tried this but have you tried playing around with the allow volume buttons to control ring volume or whatever it’s labelled as. I have had a bug with the volume of the ringer for literally as long as I can remember, maybe since the start of iPhone. It doesn’t bother me too much because I have the phone in my pocket but if it was in a bag I can see how it would be very annoying. I have a theory that might be worth testing, could it be that if VO volume is at its highest that the ringer volume would also be increased? Nobody would ever have VO volume on full on purpose, I try to turn it down as low as possible to not bother other people so the only time my phone is on high volume is when I’m listening to a book or something in my pocket and doing work around the house. Thats not often so I haven’t tried that little theory out but maybe it’s worth a go? P.S. the allow volume buttons to control ringer alert toggle has had a bug on and off over the years where sometimes it would do what its meant to and others the volume buttons would always control the ringer alert.

HI Siobhan, I've noticed this too. i mentioned it a while back, I believe, but as nobody joined with me I suppose I just forgot about it. This would have been a couple of years ago now. Never used to happen on the good old iPhone 4 though.

Hi. Thanks, but before going on my rant, I should've mentioned, I'm smart enough to make sure all that stuff is looked into. I.E. I always make sure that setting is turned off. as for voice over on high volume, it only is when an incoming call comes in and it yells for everyone and their Mom to hear. I don't mind that as i answer quick enough. I do mind though, that Apple started screwing with the sounds when everyone bitched about getting loud sounds in notifications during phone calls. I admit, I'd be talking, "I'll meet you in, ow! ten minutes." But it wasn't really to annoying. Bingo, glad I'm not the only one who hates this. I will forever hate audio ducking also, as i said, I turn it off. I wonder if the sounds are being ducked by default? Maybe it's worth looking into having a setting where in you turn off ducking for sounds. Hope this makes sense, coffee is staring at me as it cools and I haven't had much yet.

Doesn’t hurt to check though especially if it could have fixed your problem. I hope Apple can fix it for you in a future update.

It makes me crazy when people ask, is it accessible, hoping for whatever answer they want instead of, gasp, downloading an app, even paid and testing it out. even the watch sounds could be a bit louder. as if you're in a crowd, unless i strap the watch very tight, I kind of miss some of them, the vibrations on my wrist. Wow, here's another bad thing i just discovered writing this. As you backspace, the letters are double spoken using mac os RC.

Guys, not sure how long this has been around as I've only just noticed this in the RC which is potentially worrying. If you leave the phone app open and say delete a number from recent calls I've found you can't then call any other number or do anything with any contact. The only way to get the phone back to normal is to close the app so not a total nightmare. It's odd though. If you try to call another recent call say it seems to open it and a delete button appears next to it. But, double tapping it does nothing. As I say only just noticed that and nobody else has commented on it so maybe just me at the mo. iPhone 13pro.

Hello,
There is a new checkbox in the VoiceOver Braille settings called Enable Bluetooth at Start. The goal according to the description is for VoiceOver to enable Bluetooth if it is off so that Braille display will always connect. However in my test there seems to be a permissions problem and VoiceOver is not allowed to communicate with a Braille display until it has been toggled to on at least one time.
Can you try this checkbox and report back? Settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Braille > Enable Bluetooth at Start. (Or similar name if I am misremembering the exact wording, I dont' have the beta device here at the moment.)