Opinion, what do you think of Apple

I didn't like the focus/VO restarting bug. I would have swapped any new IOS feature to be rid of it. Eloquence hasn't been implemented all that well - it's too quiet, for one thing - so I don't use it. There were some annoying things to do with Braille, some of which have now been fixed. the fact that I can't actually remember a single thing that really stood out as impressive (and here, remember, I missed out on door detection etc. as I do not have a pro model) pretty much sums it up: the update wasn't awful, not as awful as 13, but there wasn't anything particularly special about it either. I'd be quite happy for IOS17 to be stable, with as many bugs squashed as possible, and boring in every other respect.

I'm still using my trusty iPhone 7, so therefore haven't been able to upgrade/update yet. So I won't comment on the latest iOS features, but if recent reading is any indication I'm in for a treat. But I like Apple a lot. Nobody and nothing is perfect, but in my opinion this tech giant has done an amazing job with accessibility. Keep in mind though that I am of course just one person, speaking for himself. I am not speaking for everyone, as I know all too well by now that not all people like Apple. Also, I don't know about Braille on their products yet but one of these years I hope to find out. But having said all that, an apple a day keeps the doctor away so eat your apples and drink your apple juice/cider every day! Lol I myself currently don't have any apples in the apartment but I do quite like them.

For me; apple is nothing special anymore, perhaps with the IPhone 15 and AI, apple might impress me again but I doubt it.

If they can't fix siri over the years of it being a thing then I don't think AI is going to do much for us as blind people.

I could be wrong though and if i am, great!

As I stated in other threads, no issue. 13 pro and before 12 pro. I am lucky at this time. I had so many issues with iOS 13 that I started to call it unlucky 13 and people here jump all over me. I feel for those who have this issue with focus. Hope 17 will fix it. Same with issues with Braille displays.

Apple provides support for their phones far longer that Microsoft for their computers. How often do we have to change from, say, Windows 8 to 10, now to 11, because of removed support for the older. This is also true for eMail and browsers that we get used to that are still reliable? On the other hand, how long could we go without getting a new iPhone because the older operating system is no longer supported? Apple wins, hands down. The same is true for accessability. For the most part, Voice-Over works, works, and works. Microsoft comes out with a new operating system that included a totally useless browser for blind people because the screen reader manufacturers did not have a solution. This was not the fault of the screen reader manufacturers. This was the fault of Microsoft who claims to be the leader in accessibility. When Windows 10 first came out, The Edge browser should have been accessable. I find no excuse fpr that. I'm supporting Apple because we can usually use their new operating system right out of the box, and at no charge. There is no charge for Voice-Over, either.

I am an Apple fan. Other phones, to my knowledge, do not have the resources for help like we do. Of course, the best being Applevis! When I got my first phone, this site along with a book I got from APH on voiceover helped a lot! I still check in here several times a week for new apps and ideas. I don't think the other phones have all this support and help for the visually impaired. Is it perfect? No but what is?

Awesome company and awesome accessibility it just works.

I'm thinking I should always wait to update my Apple device until I find out what afflictions are possible, then decide. That means resisting all the update-shaming for not having the very latest version. It's just the way Apple is nowadays.
I just went through several weeks of having unreliable, wired, Internet connectivity due to a junction box of some sort that was probably older than me, and crumbled into dust when the Internet repair guy touched it. Glad he touched it and not me. But in the meantime, I had to use the cellular network on my iPhone to do computer things. I would have been up the crick if I had updated and got the focus bug and the crash bug.
It makes me think I should look into another backup device that is neither dependent on Apple nor the ancient phone system strung across the desert in which I live.

You can turn off most notifications if you want to.

They don't demand you upgrade or anything like that so I'm not getting it.

How is Apple very invasibe? Apple is far less invasive than, let's say, Windows. And there are ways to prevent apps, like Face Book, from snooping. Look through the privacy setting on your device and set them to your liking. But, mainly, I would like to hear your explanation of how Apple is too invasive. Thanks.

imagine you bought aapl at around $400 in 2012 when everyone was so down on apple. the stock has since splitted 1 for 28. it sits now around $174, 174*28 = $4872. one can't frown on it, can one?
when you want a top of line iphone, all you have to do is selling couple of aapl shares, and you can get the phone for free plus a nice steak dinner.

We're not quite there yet, but Invasive, as in medically invasive procedure... At least you won't have to go back and get your iPhone and watch every time you step out of the house, and you can get a lower health insurance rate because it's monitoring all your ailments.

Bugs like the focus issue have been around for years with no end in sight. I don't feel like accessibility is a priority for them like it was at one time. Just as an example... and one that's been talked about here many times before... I still can't use my Recent Calls log to reliably place a call because it will often call the wrong number.

The focus issues are fixed in iOS 17. Yes I had them in iOS 16. I don't have them now.

I've never had this focus issue and the recents log works fine.

I have an Iphone 13, I think I had a 12 or a 11 and haven't had these issues.

I did have an issue with the headphone port on the 11, or 12 I had, I can't remember what number it is.

I wonder if it's a UK/Europe VS US thing, I highly doubt it but these things haven't happened to me at all.

Sorry for going off topic.

Disclaimer: These are my opinions only. Please don't shame me for having the ability to think for myself. 🥺

I have been blind for many years now, though I was not always so. When I first began losing my eyesight, I got my hands on a cheap Android. I think it was running Frozen Yogurt (FroYo) at the time. I did mention this was many years ago.... Anyway, the device allowed a visually impaired/legally blind man to keep in touch with friends and family via phone calls and emails, and that was about it. This was in no way the fault of Android, but rather my inability to learn while at the same time going through a life altering crisis.

Some years later, I picked up my very first iPhone; an iPhone 4S. Don't laugh....

It was an absolutely mind altering experience. I "believe" it was running iOS 5.1.1. The version of iOS that still had Google Maps and a YouTube preloaded on it. Anyways, because VoiceOver worked so well with the native apps, over the comparable Android of that time, I was able to do more, and thus, fell in love with it. I, of course, re-discovered YouTube, and the internet in general. I learned how to text, how to dictate emails and look up directions using Google Maps. I will not say whether or not Apple Maps is better or worse than Google's counterpart. I will say that, at that time, I was in love with Google Maps on ye old iOS 5.x.

Over the years I have continued to use an iPhone, and like many of you, have been both amazed and frustrated with its evolution; especially regarding accessibility. I also have friends who are Android "true believers", who tend to let me play with their old devices as they upgrade, I think, in the hopes I will give up my iPhone. (Heh!)

Both iOS and Android have their problems and their perks, and of course your mileage may vary. However, in my personal life, I enjoy the functionality of iOS; including both native and 3rd party apps.

There are so many blind friendly apps and games that make life just a little more enjoyable for me. The shortcut feature is another great tool and works with health apps such as Dexcom GX (a continuous glucose monitor) and the native health app. Its nice to use the steps shortcut when trying to get my daily steps quota in. 😅 And probably the biggest feature I enjoy with iOS is the custom gesture feature within VoiceOver's settings. Being able to tap the back of the iPhone to control functions or shortcuts, as well as setting up custom touch gestures is a real life saver.

Truth be told, I think the custom gesture feature is hands down one of the top reasons I have not switched back to Android. 🤯

I completely agree with you. Apple this year in particular has listened and is solving more bugs. I think people will be really happy with iOS 17. More over apps seem to come to iOS far quicker then Android and not only that if you look at the market share Apple is gaining more users then android. This is especially true in Samsung's own country.

Hello.
My opinion about Apple can be divided into a few topics:
Accessibility: I believe that Apple is one of, if not the company that cares the most about accessibility. Of course, the fact that they have unresolved bugs for several years turns out to be a major drawback, but I think we all agree that, in general, Apple is dedicated to it.
Operating system: Even though I only have an iPhone and an Apple Watch, I am quite satisfied with the performance of both. It works, it's intuitive, and it doesn't have the annoying lag that Android devices I've had in the past suffered from.
Popularity/Price: This is a bit controversial, as the concepts of expensive and affordable are quite relative to each individual, but I think it varies a lot. For instance, I find the price of iPhones justified for what they offer, although I do think that in recent years, Apple has pushed the prices a bit beyond what's acceptable. The same goes for the Mac; I find it extremely pricey for the features it offers, and reports of many unresolved bugs here for years reinforce my argument.
I believe that Apple has become more expensive than it used to be.