My review, why I returned to iOS from Android

By Josh Kennedy, 19 May, 2023

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iOS and iPadOS

So I spent the past 3 to 4 months using a samsung phone with the latest android and talkback. And although there were a few benefits, like the speech having shorter pauses during punctuation and reading things like emails there were some major things that I missed. The most important thing that I missed was voiceover's image descriptions and screen recognition. I also missed how easily spellchecking is done on IOS. Now for the most part, apps work the same on IOS as they do on android. On both platforms I could use pluto tv, and various radio and video apps. Although liking youtube videos is much easier and much more consistent on IOS than it is on android. Also IOS has vizLens, android does not have any equivalent to this app at all. Web browsing on android has improved. But on IOS it is so much easier to cast to tvs and apple tv set top boxes. Magic tap responds faster on IOS than on android, and better keyboard and braille support... I'm sure there are other things I am missing. But in general, IOS is my favorite mobile OS. Is android useable? yes it is if you are willing to put up with its limitations. But if you want to be as productive as possible, I would recommend an IOS or iPad OS device.

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By Dominic on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

All the people that are saying Apple fixes bugs on iOS.
What about the bugs that have been around for years and have not been resolved?
What about all the Braille box?
What about VoiceOver crashing?
What about macOS bugs? Like the busy and not responding bugs?
So you canā€™t go saying that android is bad when iOS has issues does try stopping as well?

By Holger Fiallo on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

I use an iPad 9 with a slin folio logitech and the experience is not that great. I would say is not something to write home about it. Disagree. I do like my iPad 9 and is good but using the bluetooth keyboard can be better. I have a feeling that a microsoft tablet with a similar keyboard be better.

By Dominic on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

Android probably has the best customisation features ever. You can change from Singh to thing each time, re-order your homepages, add folders, seamlessly, you donā€™t need a computer to get ringtones. You can have external SD cards to expand your storage, the settings app as well designed. Substance of the Best Buy magic authentication on the block. Not to mention that even though both of the recognition features a crap was saying some and Google Future posts and fingerprint recognition on this password pattern and 10 unlocking. Letā€™s not forget the beautiful selection of ringtone and text tons. Does that available to choose on android and an awesome library free to use extremely great sounds
As for iOS iOS has an easy set up process, they have eloquence support, the ringtone and text tones. I have to admit, are better than nothing, and they seamlessly connect with other Apple devices. But time with android devices. A Google phone Ana Google Chrome book the Google watch and a Google power of our phones plus possibly windows 11 computer repair Sue mostly with each other, creating a parcel experience for Å˜ĘHĆ„Å‡ and anyone that sheā€™s is Jesus android.
All Iā€™m saying is, even though android likes when it comes to accessibility and sometimes performance,
That baby still got dog in them

By Devin Prater on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

Three things I do love about Android's Braille support:

  • You can type as fast and as much as you want. Nothing will slow that thing down.
  • Connecting and disconnecting from Braille displays is easy.
  • The TalkBack Braille keyboard usually gets things correct, all the time. Braille Screen input on iOS has gotten really unreliable for me.

Also being able to use Telegram, DoorDash, Evidation, and this cool ChatGPT app called SpeakGPT, is really cool. Also it works very well with Windows. I can even copy something on my Windows computer, like my OpenAI API key, and paste it on my Android phone.

By Brad on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

I like Android because it's cheeper than apple and has nifty features like being able to copy files to the device just by plugging it in and going from there, even though I wouldn't use that feature it's neat.

I like that Lookout is getting the BeMyEyes vertual assistant treatment but the google version, I wonder if apple will come out with something like that?

I like apples' flick down gesture when on things like youtube videos to go to menues, with talkback you have to tap and hold to get to those menus, as far as I know.

Personally I'm going to stick to appple, because at least when I get a phone or apple device I'll know it will work with voiceover. With Android; depending on your make and moddle, you're not always garenteed that talkback will turn on on the first try.

Arguing over what OS is better is pointless as they both have issues.

I doubt apple is going to do any AI stuff for at least a couple years and i'm a bit sad about that but on the other hand they do tend to want things to work as stable as possible before putting it out there so I can get with them on that.

Android/google is AI all the way and while I think that's exciting and knew, there will probably be quite a few bugs to look forward to.

So as I said in the title of this post; both have strengths and weeknesses.

By Dominic on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

I have a galaxy a04s running android 13. . That device also runs one ui 5.1.
One thing I really like about android is the new maintenance mode
What are basically is is a feature where is JOE FRESh gets taken into maintenance? Nobody will be able to check your data because youā€™ll be in the maintenance mode.
Just, please make sure the back up your stuff.
Another thing I like is the amount of screen reader, options. To be fair, commentary screen really did make me crash my device and it froze a little bit.
I just doesnā€™t like being run on Galaxy alpha phones.
Goddamnit! One thing I also hate is the eloquence and vocaliser from blonde help keep on acting up.
Eloquence and vocalise. It wonā€™t open correctly, they keep on crashing, and I canā€™t use them at all.

A couple other things I hate about android or maybe itā€™s just my phone is that the phone I have doesnā€™t have power share which allows that phone charger charge another phone thatā€™s compatible.
It also doesnā€™t have 5G, although Iā€™m not too phased about that.
And itā€™s still uses Bluetooth 5.0 and doesnā€™t use Wi-Fi six
My phone does have a USB seaport, which room is so the iPhone, 15 will have a USB seaport.
My phone also has a head phone, Jack, 6.5 inch, 90 Hope play, 4 GB of RAM and 128 GB of flash George able to be upgraded one terabyte through a microSD card.
It also has probably the best battery life on the $200 phone, the thing I hate about android is the fact that talkback literally wants to talk over everything, although one thing I hate about iOS is the amount of dictation mistakes that Iā€™m getting wrong in the message That Iā€™m writing up right now, whilst sitting in my bed using dictation on this pathetic iPhone, we are just such a burning baboon canā€™t even count!
One thing I do like about iOS is the amount of security and privacy features on this device.
I also like the fact that it has good enough battery, great VoiceOver, it has eloquence, vocaliser, and the speak.

By Brad on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

As for the USBC thing, I believe the EU is making that a requirement which I'm happy about. It'll make charging a bit easier.

By Holger Fiallo on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

charging easy but not fast for iPhone unless you only use the apple cables. EU is getting upset with apple because speed for charging and other things will not be the sane unless you only use cables that apple do. Third party cables will not do so and the EU is not amuse with apple.

By Dominic on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

I agree with you about USB see, plus I have a MacBook Air charger Thatā€™s USB, see I can use

By Brad on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

I honestly expected that with apple, they want everything to be Apple so that you can spend more money on their products.

That's another reason I like android, it doens't tie you down as much.

By Ekaj on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 - 16:40

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If ya don't like something for this or that reason, then don't use it. But bashing others for their choices is not a good thing to do. Having said that, I agree about having more than one smartphone. Some of us--myself included--just cannot afford it. I know there are a few users on here who have more than one iPhone. If you can afford it, that's great. But I, too, only have one and iOS is where it's at for me as well. I have never used Android, but have heard/read time and again about the subpar accessibility. Those who wish to settle for subpar accessibility are free to do so. But I am among those who think iOS has excellent accessibility thus far, and so I'm therefore sticking with the iPhone for the time being.

By Ash Rein on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

I think itā€™s unfair to say things like if you donā€™t like something donā€™t use it. Itā€™s the same as saying if you donā€™t like living here, then you should move. Itā€™s never as simple as that. And then saying that they believe something is great and that people need to just lay off is also pretty unfair. People are allowed to complain. People are allowed to like some thing. The whole point of this website is to listen to each other.

I think that thereā€™s a lot of surface level stuff thatā€™s pretty good and then it deteriorates as you get deeper. I think that it can be better with a lot of work. And the only way thatā€™s going to happen is if people actively listen, care and support one another. I think it could be really beneficial to say Iā€™m sorry that thatā€™s happening. How can I be useful to you and lend a hand. I donā€™t think itā€™s useful to say I think Apple is awesome and it works for me. I also donā€™t think itā€™s useful to say Iā€™m not seeing this as an issue. I also donā€™t think itā€™s useful to say android has subpar accessibility.

By Dennis Long on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

I'm sorry the truth hurts the truth is Android has subpar accessibility bottom line! Google doesn't care about accessibility for all. Apple does. Yes Apple has bugs but they do a better job of listening to the users then Google. Apple also innovates Google doesn't. Take Door detection and point to speak coming to iOS 17. Also the feature for those that can't speak is an innovation what innovation does Google do on accessibility? None!

By Holger Fiallo on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

Whoever has both, do a podcast showing how it work by doing text, openning apps, using google and siri and so on. How to start each device if talkback or VO is not on.

By Ash Rein on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

Iā€™m not sure that Apple innovates by creating something that people mostly donā€™t use. I think most people are going to be like ā€˜oh thatā€™s really cool,ā€™ use it once or twice, and then never use it again. The door detection would be very useful with smart glasses, which will eventually come. But those are generally still a few years off. we donā€™t know how usable these new features are going to be. Hopefully theyā€™ll be awesome. Weā€™ll find out together. Android accessibility is improving bit by bit. Android 14 is supposed to be a really big jump in accessibility. Thereā€™s a real reason why many advanced users are actually android users in terms of accessibility. The average person is going to pick apple because of the name and hearsay. Iā€™m not sure that Apple is more usable than android. Iā€™ve never meaningfully used an android phone. and I genuinely hope that there can be a third option. My real dream is that Microsoft will eventually release a full Windows phone where we can use jaws or NVDA. And that narrator eventually becomes very usable. Another dream is that somehow someway there can be a second screen reader option for iOS and macOS. A third dream is that AI becomes so good and usable That screens wonā€™t be necessary. We will just have an assistant that we can interact with and will do what we ask. Thatā€™s probably at least a decade away though. Although there is a company with former Apple engineers who just demonstrated a new kind of phone that you donā€™t even have to take out of your pocket because the functionality is so great. They did a Ted talk on it.

By kool_turk on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

Yes, the Humane Communicator is something to keep an eye on.

As much as I'd like to see that thing take off, I don't think it will.

Society love to stare at their phones and watch videos too much to let that happen.

Plus, I don't think people have gotten use to talking to a machine in public.

I certainly won't talk to a device in public, it's hard enough for normal people to hear me, let alone a device.

By Kaushik on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

Earlier I was using iPhone 11. I went to OnePlus 10 r, but due to lag issue on the talk back and issue about regular updates again I switch back to iOS iOS has a lot of issues but it doesnā€™t matter and it doesnā€™t affect our work so I like iPhone

By Dominic on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

Look, only reason why all of you guys are complaining about android is because you actually havenā€™t taken the time to try and fix issues that happen in talkback. Once the issue pulls up you go back to iOS. Give Andrew the chance like I did.

By Rafal on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

It's like talking about the primacy of ahen or an egg. Those who use Android will probably stay with newer Android phones and iOS users may buy another iPhone. To avoid bias opinion and follow the general state of accessibility, it's good to have an alternative system at your disposal. Another point to know Android for iOS users is that once you may get an Android phone from your employer and being unable to operate it, you may fid this device as useless. Althołgh I use iOS everyday, I find that Android better works with an external keyboard but for now I would not switch to Android. Despite all, if someone wants to be a proffessional tech advisor for blind people or an accessibility expert, familiarity regarding these two operating system is amust in my view. system

By Dominic on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

This podcast is amazing for android users. It has reviews tutorials and interviews.

By Holy Diver on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

First off, samsung talkback is always about a year behind google's version. Unless you feel comfortable using terminal tools like ADB you just can't get the most updateed talkback on samsung phones ... it's annoying, you have to do research a lot more than with apple, but I find it works better for me. I recommend anyone who really wants to give android accessibility a fair shake steer clear of Samsung, because it's always going to be behind, unless you're fine with using ADB to install unsupported software like google's talkback. I find I prefer spellcheck on android, although that's down to me not liking the rotor as much as three finger swipes, but you didn't even get to try that if you just used samsung's talkback. I won't pretend that fragmentation is easy and I'll be steering clear of Samsung for my next phone update but you're comparing really outdated software with the best you can get on android. I'll say again unless you're really comfortable with the command line steer clear of Samsung and go for Pixel, oneplus, motorola, Sony etc if you really want a fair comparison.

By Holy Diver on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

I think it's safe to say you'll struggle writing a really well formatted paper on either mobile platform. I tried this with Pages and Scrivner on iOS, both apps worked plenty well enough for the actual writing part ... but once you're dealing with hanging indents, MLA citations and the like good luck. I'll admit this specific use case works better on iOS though that's like saying a Braille Lite 2000 works better than a Braille n Speak Classic. Incidentally, I find Braille writing on a display to be much more stable on android ... I can write long e-mails without that annoying cursor movement bug ever showing up. I guess if you had to write a paper on android you should get Voice Dream Writer or whatever it's called now, or you can use ms word for mobile or google docs to at least get the writing part done .... but honestly if you're formatting a paper just use a computer if at all possible. OH, and one more thing, if you're using samsung's talkback you won't have spell check or container navigation, and I know lots of these writing apps use containers for navigation. So, if you have to format and write a paper on android, either use ADB to replace samsung's talkback with google's or get a non-samsung android phone. The actual writing part isn't a problem on either mobile OS, it's the formatting that will really ruin your day.

By Dominic on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

Mayaā€˜s case is going on WhatsApp search on the Internet going on YouTube texting calling BTc.
I havenā€™t really played with my galaxy that much, but I have a Galaxy account a Google account and Iā€™m all set up and ready to go.
I canā€™t wait to continue playing with my galaxy, Iā€™ll think about playing around later when Iā€™m down at the hospital.
Galaxy talkback isnā€™t the best, but nothing can be completely the best.

By Holy Diver on Friday, June 23, 2023 - 16:40

If that's what you're doing with your phone you're good to go. Just as an aside I'll say I've found less apps on android that just won't work with the screen reader, so if I download a random app from the play store I think the odds are higher it will be mostly accessible than something from the app store, that's just my experience I know folks here may disagree and that's fine. So for me android wins with broader accessibility but there's a tradeoff there too. Most blindness specific apps work better on iOS. I don't have nfb newsline, my goodmaps explore likes to regularly tell me I'm several blocks away from where I actually am and I had to kiss blindsquare goodbye. I'm still waiting for the Be my Eyes virtual volunteer access, the waiting list didn't even open on android for almost a month after it was available for all you fruit people. That Oko app looks really cool and I can't use it yet, I doubt they'll ever get around to putting it on the play store. So I have less accessibility issues with most apps but the blindness-specific ones are a clear win for iOS and probably always will be.

By Dennis Long on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Wow Talk Back adds so little every release. Voice over is still far ahead and iOS 17 Apple is listen to the users and fixing issues.

By paras shah on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Definitely iOS all the way.
The quality of android and Talkback is just not there. It is usable, but very time consuming. When I use my iPhone, I do not have to think about my technology, I can use my phone and enjoy my life. Apple is number one for accessibility in my view for sure.
Thanks

By Dennis Long on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

@paras shah I completely agree with you. iOS builds accessibility in from the ground up. Google it is an after thought. You can tell in the quality of the work. Things like Spell check not working for keyboard users. I submitted feedback when I noticed this when 13.1 was released. was it fixed for talk back 14? Nope does Google Care Nope not a bit.

By Dominic on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Hereā€™s my thoughts from somebody who uses both iOS and android on the daily
Look, I like iOS and all,, but why is it only that theyā€™re really starting to listen to us, admit, android might not be this smooth and accessibility, but for people who only use phones for YouTube browsing, rampaging on Twitter, text messaging EC, android a good operating system
Iā€™m using both of pixel and galaxy alpha phone,
Now Iā€™ve been in Apple since 2016, and honestly, even though I speak so highly of android, I probably will go back to iOS next chance I get
You see, when I went shopping to get my next phone I wanted the iPhone 11 but it was $670 but my mum couldnā€™t pay that with her Afterpay, so we decided to get the phone I can have a 04S galaxy phone, running android 13 straight out of the box
The things are like about the phones that has the headphones jack on micro SD card inside mount fingerprint and so, things I donā€™t like is the performance absolutely is no way that iOS, I canā€™t use eloquence, and when I attempted to use commentary screen reader, I couldnā€™t use my phone properly
Overall, androids a good operating system, and I know in the future and roro will get closer, but my mind with Apple is that theyā€™ve only waited until now to solve our iOS bugs,
What about that focus issue when it jumped to the top of the screen literally all the time, how long did it take for that to be fixed and what about now and iOS 17 when Apple is destroyed stable enough features, like messages, and all of that. Why did Apple have to break audio messages in the iOS 17, why
Apple break stable things and android is slow, so who the hell is the winner in this now, when you have iOS 17 taking on android 14
with all the bugs even though itā€™s a software but yeah the fact that Apple is changing around things that work great isnā€™t annoyance

By Dennis Long on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

You can't base any opinions on iOS 17 yet!!! WHAT IS IT? BETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BETA SOFTWARE MEANS
COMPUTER SOFTWARE THAT IS UNDER GOING TESTING AND HAS NOT OFFICIALLY BEEN RELEASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Dennis Long on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Its called being realistic. Beta software will have bugs. Beta software will test things. It may test something then change it back. I'll give you an example. in iOS 15 they moved the address bar to the bottom in Safari there was such a outcry they gave the option to move it back to the top. So no you can't compare iOS 17 to android 14.

By Dominic on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Youā€™re being negative on android. There are some pros to android, but look at you being the Apple fan boy!
Iā€™m not saying everything about android is good, but there are suddenly some very good things about it

By Joe on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

I use door detection a lot. It can also read signs as I'm moving. Just because you don't find value in it doesn't mean it is pointless. My issue with Android is they are just taking things from Voiceover and putting it in Talkback with no thought on how it could be better. Also because they have more phones doesn't mean talkback will work equally across different phones. Also Google apps on their own platform aren't as optimized for accessibility YouTube for one doesn't use actions.

By Trenton Matthews on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

As I myself and others have mentioned already,

http://accessibleandroid.com/

and

https://blindandroidusers.com/

, are the places for talking Android from a blindness perspective on a larger scale.

BTW, Accessible Android does have their own app in the Play Store, if ya didn't know:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tr.bi.erisilebilir.android

FYI:

Accessible Android and Blind Android Users have a Telegram group, a forum (which could use more love), and if ya haven't subscribed to their YouTube channel and/or podcast yet, go and do so!

If more people here would give those guys feedback and submit accessible Android apps to their web site than all this Android VS IOS talk, more good could actually be done, don't ya think?

BTW, just in case you're not following them on Mastodon and/or YouTube, below I share links!

YouTube:
https://youtube.com/blindandroidusers/
(currently at 979 subscribers)

Mastodon:
https://mastodon.social/@accessibleandroid

BTW, For all the talk about Samsung, no one here (witht the exception to one person I know), has tried Samsung Dex I see. Here's hoping I will be doing so myself soon. If you have yourself, share among the Accessible Android Forums.

PS. The command for toggling Talkback Speech (without exiting Talkback completely) is a Triple-Tap and hold with two fingers (by default).
Also, back in the day there use to be podcasts on comparing Android and IOS accessibility on a fair scale. There needs to be a modern one for this now.

PSS. One Android app that has not gotten much talk at all, is

Https://voxmate.com/

, and that does not require Talkback or Commentary to be used with it! Although, there is support for working with Talkback with it if ya do so desire.

By Karok on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

All I would say is, whether we are slating apple or android, one thing is clear .... the way you can have sounds to notify you of a certain message, a mail with an attachment a certain event within an app is sorely lacking with ios, the notification sounds are dull and unoriginal in ios.

It just seems that android based on a sound you set will instantly say to your brain, oh, that's a news report, oh, that's a message. Yes you can have different sounds for each contact yes, but let's be honest here, with ios it just seems to be a global sound for an app notification, not events within the app itself, whereas android it seems let you use any sound you want you are only limited by your imagination on android whereas ios? you have only the in-built sounds to turn from. everyone by default has the same "ping" on whatsapp now yes you can change say a chat sound but again you are so limited in the sounds you can select from it is just not original in the slightest, samsung, it seems and pixel, have a lot more variety in the way you can customize them, like on the apple watch the sound ding is used for every app it seems it stupid as you never know what you have received. sighted people can do wallpapers, and have their own themes, what about us? i mean, how on earth, has eloquence passed its test even for ios 16? clearly, it was not tested rigorously enough it is appaulingly bad, tinny, quiet and just useless. yet eloquence from android users point of view from code factory is punchy, responsive and just ..... eloquence. not acapella? just more variety it seems and, for those using a hable one it seems you can do a lot of navigation and opening of apps etc. with andrmid vs ios. I will be getting a samsung as my main phone, we as blind people, myself hand on heart included, are like oh this is too hard, forget it, like I started to learn the flute, and because I expected as I am a musician just to grasp its concept i got fed up as it didn't work for me as I, Will, expected. android just takes time, now yes, google appls should have the actions, shrug, quite odd how their own apps don't have it but the braille keyboard so slick how it always active by default no need to fiddle with the rota and unlike voiceover as I tried this on my pixel 3a, it doesn't hop in and out in and out in and out of braille screen input, ios just drives me insane with it. okay, screen recognition not that good on android but did someone say look-out has the Ai like this supposed be my eyes assistant? they have not opened it up to the public only a select few people it seems have been selected whereas a wider cross-section of the community are not being used. yes, i agree apple is far more superior but i may be just using a samsung a54 for my daily use and just an iphone 14 pro max for streaming content as superior battery; to be honest yes, android will take some work but why do we not have edge panels like a samsung has in ios so we can slide out an app as it were, use it and close the drawer, so to speak? also it seems to be that android has a lot more customisation options and so does commentary screen-reader, i think a lot of us try an android for say a month and go oh, my iphone lot easier, turn off the android and just forget it. again, just my thoughts.

By Ash Rein on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Itā€™s not gonna happen for a while. But I want Microsoft too Provide full windows on a mobile phone. Maybe Windows 12 or 13. It would be cool to use jaws, NVDA, etc. They have their problems but they are generally still king, in terms of overall accessibility. A third mobile option would also be welcome.

By Dennis Long on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Excellent points at some point you have to look at the proof in what Google does or doesn't do as to how much they care about accessibility or don't care. Yes some Voice over bugs are slow to get fixed but they usually get fixed. Google doesn't innovate they react to what apple does and then put little thought as to how can we improve it?

By Enes Deniz on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Can't really say the replies actually bring about fixes to the reported issues, but Google has a policy of responding to each and every query within 24 work hours, definitely and totally unlike Apple. I've reported some problems like VoiceOver saying "selected" before the "Skip Ad" button in Youtube and misreporting ad numbers ("0 of 2 ads" and "1 of 2 ads" instead of "1 of 2 ads" and "2 of 2 ads" respectively), only the former of which was fixed. I also reported several other problems, like being unable to close in-app ads by Google with VoiceOver, but don't recall any of them having been fixed. And I requested that Google TTS be ported to iOS, which also appears to not have been carried out as of yet. Though it's also a fact that the TalkBack focus/cursor doesn't bounce from one place to the other like a pong ball, or VoiceOver I should say. And VoiceOver does crash quite often. So more iOS apps appear to be at least partly accessible with VoiceOver than their counterparts for Android, thanks to some recently-introduced features like screen recognition, which doesn't work perfectly. And yes, keyboard support does appear to be better on iOS than on Android, and there are some other facts that make iOS the winner, but fans of both operating systems should consider being honest and fair.

By Enes Deniz on Sunday, July 23, 2023 - 16:40

Well, there are multiple reasons that make this statement inapplicable to many situations:
1. As stated earlier, not everyone lives in countries/regions where they can easily afford even one single iPhone or new Android device.
2. Not everyone can always conveniently carry two devices around. You also have other things to worry about, like making sure you can regularly charge both.
3. Some may find it difficult to get familiar with and used to two different operating systems, with their own logic and methods, as well as multiple screen readers that exist for Android alone, each with their own commands and gestures. And even switching back and forth between Talkback and Jieshuo can become time-consuming, so adding VoiceOver to these two will likely make things more challenging.
Well, some or none may apply to and even sound reasonable to many here, but looking at the whole world from the US won't make you more open-minded so do take into consideration those living in so-called developing and un(der)developed countries when reviewing or commenting about anything from apps that cost just a few bucks but thousands of whatever the currency in certain countries, to subscriptions that don't really have much of an impact on your budget if paid in dollars but are exorbitant for those living in unfavorable conditions, to devices and accessories so cheap in some countries but likely not available and even heard of in others.

By Dominic on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

Android 14 honestly, itā€™s not a big update. I donā€™t think any of yā€™all should be surprised when android 14 comes out. Mostly visual changes.. It was crashing my phone as well to the point where Ooty, in the process was in my data. I didnā€™t really care, I wanted to get a fresh start anyway. so it was crashing my phone, and I decided to roll back to android 13. In the process, it would raise all of my data. At that point, I didnā€™t care,
Did I mention Google support team? Yeah, I definitely want to go back to Apple after my really crappy experience with support. They wanted my phone to go into Google store to get replaced. Just , Just because of a small, small, small scratch on the back of the phone, but you could barely see. The only reason why I was contacting Google is because Google assistant wouldnā€™t make a sound to notify me that it was listening. regardless of what settings I had enabled or disabled. I hate Googleā€˜s technical support team, and I feel like an iPhone for 8 GB of storage is more brain cells and all of them combined. I may not agree with Dennis on everything, but maybe android isnā€™t all that much of our Saviour any more

By Dennis Long on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

I did try telling you. iOS 17 is really solid. I do think the Applevis vision report card helped. I notice things getting fixed. It should we the community care and want to see Apple uphold their end of the bargain and listen to the needs of their users.

By Dennis Long on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

I have not had good experiences with google support either over the years. So I'm glad to be on Apple I doubt Talk Back will ever catch up to iOS.

By Dominic on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

As a person who has been with Apple since 2016, who has played with iPhones with and without the home button, Iā€™m honestly gonna say this.
Iā€™m going to be giving iOS another shot. Itā€™s just that focus, and she was really annoying, but after playing with the better for awhile, I found it. It was a bit of a better experience than I had thought. But by that point, I had gotten my galaxy phone. I couldā€™ve got an iPhone 11, or an iPhone 12, or even an iPhone 14 from Telstra, with an Apple Watch, AirPods and an iPad for school, weather than getting the necessary equipment to use on my android, phone, Watch, trying to download all of my apps all over again, when I couldā€™ve just done it from the iPad back up. Thatā€™s not to say android is good, itā€™s not the best, but to be honest, neither is iOS. Both operating systems have bugs, bugs, which might be short stop it for some people. I personally donā€™t like Google software updates. Three years of major updates for five years of security updates? Thatā€™s just not fair on the consumer.. The person pays upwards of $1000, maybe even cost of $3000, four pieces of hardware that wonā€™t get android updates, after like two or three years, when iOS has updates for between 45/6 years. The iPhone 6s, for example. Do iOS 9, count up the iOS 15, that thatā€™s six major versions of iOS., Plus Apple is still doing security updates for nothing. The iPhone five, five years of major software updates. The iPhone 6 five years of security updates. The iPhone 7 6 major software update the iPhone 8 six major versions of iOS. The list goes on and on and on.. Thatā€™s better than android could ever provide,. I noticed that, as hard word gets more powerful in iOS devices, software, updates, last for longer, you can get more major, updates, etc. Weather, as the Google pixel seven, will only get up to updates from 2025 which will be two years from now so they will get up to android 16 and then thatā€™s it. Two more years of security patches until 2027.. The iPad, second generation. Six years of iPadOS update. Isnā€™t that really incredible.. The iPod touch 6th generation five years of updates. My MacBook Pro from 2012. Eight years of major software, updates. One thing I like about android is the better sound library across manufacturers, the different app, launches, and better telegram accessibility.

By Brian on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

They tried this several years ago with Windows Phone 8, which was based off of Windows 8/8.1. *shudder*
They were also planning on implementing JAWS mobile to it, though I do not know if it ever became a thing or not.

By Dominic on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

Okay, but hereā€™s the problem. If I tried on all of my android devices, my Google pixel, watch my Google pixel, seven and my Galaxy phone,, The only problem is mum would pay for my phones for her Telstra account, and would pay for my phones on the same account as hers. Not at my mumā€˜s dad, I have no reasonable way to get an iPhone 15 for pretty cheap. Cause if I could get it on Telstra, it would be like $40 $30 $20 $50 whatever a month, which is pretty good, considering a good grand you have to pay to get an iPhone from Apple, Officeworks, JB hi-fi, Harvey, Norman, etc. The most affordable way I would be able to do that just to get an iPhone 15 from Facebook marketplace, and most of them probably scams anyway. I am going to see about having my mums old iPhone SE 2022, and my cousins iPhone 11, so once I get them I donā€™t think Iā€™ll be wanting to get an iPhone for another couple of years. One thing is for certain, after googles. absolutely Paul technical support job against me, I most definitely not going back to Google for my taxable help.. I will iā€™m probably gonna keep my Google pixel, but yeah other than that

By Dominic on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

My cousinā€™s iPhone 11 has a cracked back. Iā€™m not concerned about the rest of the back, but itā€™s just the bottom left corner. Define already has a screen protector so as long as I get a case, it should be all fine. It has 128 GB of storage done so thatā€™s cool

By Josh Kennedy on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

When in the photos app, iPhone can give a pretty good description of photos, including if there is text, and what that text is, automatically, and also by using a single gesture or keyboard command. Android cannot do this. iPhone can let me do advanced document editing, including moving between fonts, paragraph styles, etcetera, android cannot. IPhone can use advanced screen recognition, by using the neural chip built into the phone itself, to describe and activate and manipulate controls and on-screen items that are not made accessible by the app developers. Android cannot do this. Voiceover actually works better with google docs, sheets, and slides, than google's own talkback on android does. So I can use my iPhone as a full notetaker if I wish. I cannot do this with my android phone. I can use my iPhone as a full notetaker with either a braille keyboard, qwerty keyboard, or touch screen. I can use eloquence speech because it is just built into the phone. Android does not have this. Spell-check is very easy and fast to use no matter what app I am in. And I can cut, copy and paste from anywhere on iPhone and from within nearly every app, whether using a qwerty or braille keyboard, or touch screen or braille display. Android talkback does not have this ability. iPhone voiceover does not interrupt speech when you dictate text, no matter what app you are in when using its native dictation feature. Android talkback interrupts you when you try to dictate. Talkback should not do this. Those are just some examples of why I like iPhone over android.

By Dennis Long on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

Completely agree with Josh Kennedy. I'll add 7 more you forgot. 1 System wide copy and paste
2 user dictionary.
3 The ability to relabel a button even if it has a label or if it has no label you can label it.
4 third party app support is better. App Developers are more likely on iOS to fix issues if you have them with there apps then android.
5 voiceover is faster and just does a better job then Talkback.
6 more voices to choose from.
7 More and better third party apps such as RSS readers as an example.

By Josh Kennedy on Saturday, September 23, 2023 - 16:40

One more thing iPhone does that android does not do is voiceover tells me what is in the camera viewfinder. Talkback does not. Android should be fully accessible with a qwerty or braille keyboard for those who want to use a keyboard or for those who need it for business or school in educational settings. Voiceover also can play audio graphs in apps that support it. Talkback does not. Oh, and the commentary screen reader also does not do most of these things either. Furthermore, I'm not going to use a screen reader that needs half or so of its interface translated back to English with machine translation.