Winning the face ID battle.

I still don't like the concept of Face ID, and I don't plan to use it. However, the Touch ID on my new SE is very unreliable, as in, five minutes after recording a fingerprint, it sometimes no longer recognizes it. This is without doing anything to the finger, like washing my hands. Recording five prints of the same finger gets better results, but I know I'm just going to sand or grind off the fingerprint anyway.
You bring up hair. I have long hair, and sometimes get caught in the wind without a tie handy. That might be another problem I haven't considered with Face ID.
My life doesn't require an extremely long alphanumeric code yet, but I think I would still resort to the handwriting function over Face ID. Never know when I might sand off my face, then need to unlock my phone.

I can, I repeat, can use Face ID. I do, I repeat, do use Face ID. It works, unlike really complicated thins like, erm, pressing the enter key with a braille display. It doesn't crash unlike, erm, Voiceover. however, it doesn't work as well as Touch ID. I love Touch ID> Face ID works 7 times out of 10, perhaps 8 times out of 10. Touch ID worked 999 times out of 1000. Touch ID worked with the phone in my pocket. Face ID probably would work thus, but I can't get my head into my pocket. So yes, Face ID works, but Touch ID works better and I want it back.

Cue the usual suspects imputing inadequacy to Bingo as an iPhone user and a human being for preferring Touch ID. Look at all that pent up frustration ready to be poured forth in the comments to come and which will prove a cracking good read presently. Come and have a go, lads and lasses; Bingo will take the lot of you on! just remind yourselves that I love Touch ID and it'll be enough to get those juices flowing.

Screen curtain on.

Sorry, just being mischievous. Voiceover didn't really crash.

You really should appear on one of those British or Australian comedy shows. You really would do great.
In all seriousness I love touch ID. I only tried to use Face ID once on my iPhone 12 and I decided to never ever do it again. It’s sucks.

When I went from the seven to the x s, setting face ID was a challenge but worth it. Now do not miss the finger print. Would love to have both just like any galaxy or pitsel phone but apple does not believe in choices for us. Still I have no issues. I learn if you get a great scan of your face, you will never have issues with it. Using 13 pro and I go weeks without having to put my 6 numbers. Be it in the couch, bed, or walking, Face ID. Suggest people find a good podcast on doing face ID and do it again.

Holger, congratulations for being the first Bingo-basher, albeit you did not do so by express reference. nevertheless, the implication was obvious - Bingo, you halfwit, if only you listened to a podcast your Face ID would work 10 times out of 10 and you would no longer miss your fingerprint (one wird, Sir, not two). Now, I fully expected the imputed idiocy so I am not in any way discombobulated. I would just gently point out that I did not say I had issues. I said Face ID worked, just not as often as Touch ID. That is not tantamount to having issues - that favourite phrase of social workers along with oppositional behaviours, positive interactions over breakfast and, erm, boundaries (they like to chat a lot about those too). So no issues; none at all. Nevertheless I will take your advice, go and listen to the Rugby Union Weekly podcast, and then try Face ID again and see if I can make a 9/10.

Face ID works most of the time for me. Fingerprint ID always worked, and I could unlock my phone if it were in my shirt pocket. A survey was taken of iPhone users. Not just blind ones, but both blind and sighted. 75 percent of those asked wanted touch ID back, yet we still do not have it on all phones. Apple? How about some customer service by giving what the majority requests? If we MUST have face ID, give both options.

I do not control what you think. If that is why you thought regarding my poste, is on you. I made a comment base on my experience. Doing a good scan makes a big different.

I was never able to get Face ID to work, but maybe it's all because I didn't listen to the darn podcast! If I can't understand the words but play it over the internal speaker anyway, would that make it magically work? Or... Would it not work since I have an iPhone SE 3? I'm trying to get the best of both worlds here.
Seriously though, I prefer Touch ID because I never take my phone out of my pocket. Kind of hard to use Face ID without your phone being out, so I'm still on Touch ID. It's the only thing holding me back from purchasing a flagship phone with better battery life and LiDar. I'm glad you have one the battle, though!

what is a good podcast on face id

I don’t really understand how people are having trouble with this. What am I missing? I have never had an issue with Face ID. From the second I got an iPhone X, and I’m currently using an iPhone 14 pro max, Setting it up and using it has never been a problem. I’ve never met a voiceover user that has had a problem with face ID or touch ID. Maybe it would be a good experience to go to the Apple store and have them assist you. Maybe if it is actually an issue, showing them that it is can be informative so that they make changes.

But face ID is so reliable, that you can now use the phone sideways and it’s still recognizes and unlock the phone.

It's not a bad idea to go to an apple store and have them help. Or if you own a watch, that can unlock your phone if you had a mask on, not starting that war, so easy does it. If the watch could unlock your phone, it'd help when it's in my purse and i'm on my way to the hospital with stuff in other hand. Technology it changes so frequently but it amazes me how so much of society in general can't deal with it and wants the way it was. Well, then I suggest keep a phone with a Home button and if you ever have no choice but to upgrade, I wish you God speed. As I said I think Annonymouse did a podcast or David Woodbridge. Patience is really key though. If it doesn't work, try again. as the OP said, they just listened to the percentages, not directions. Keep trying.

OK. Jonathan Mosen did one and gave a good explanation on how to set it up. Do not recall which podcast number but if you check mosen at large before it became livingblindfully. I am also sure that AppleVis did one also.

The best way to describe how to set up Face ID is like this: Imagine a clock face where your nose starts at 2, then rotate your head to the left until you make a full circle. It's going to be different for everyone. For me, I don't even listen to VoiceOver, just the percentage that gets read out. I can set up Face ID in about 30 seconds. It used to be quicker, but they added some extra steps to do with masks that slow you down.

Dear me, as soon as someone says anything about Face ID it's assumed we're having serious issues with it? I, for one, am not. I don't need a podcast and don't need any guidance. Face ID works. it works, I tell you. it works. I have no issues.

But, Touch ID works better. it works more often and more conveniently. I prefer it for those reasons beautifully encapsulated by Scott in his contribution above. No podcast is going to change that. Hopping on the Piccadilly Line and going to my nearest Apple store - hang on hang on, i'd need to get the Northern Line and then change - in Covent Garden would not change my position on Touch ID. There'd be no help they could give me that I needed.

To reiterate, Face ID works. touch ID works better and I want it back. I refuse to confine myself to the ceiling of what works when I can ask for what works best.

Now I don't know so you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there SE phones with a fingerprint sensor? Could you get one of those, if you need to.

I don't remember what moddle I had but I think it was the SE2020? I'm about %99 sure that it had a fingerprint thing.

I just use face ID now and thinking about it, I can take it or leave it.

I know this is a bit off topic but I just thought about what bingo might say, that they don't want to do that because they want to upgrade to the latest phone, that's fine but do people actualy notice a diffirence?

I understand wanting to upgrade for battery reasons but when it comes to ram/processors and all that, do you, the wrest of the applevis community notice any difference? Maybe it's because I don't track these things but I honestly don't.

Hi John. I've not had a job before and live in the UK, I'm assuming you're in the US? I'm a bit confused, if a company buys you a phone, does it not then become yours? Or do you have to give it back if you move on?

Hi Brad,

Unless your employer is remarkably benevolent, if they buy you a phone they are really buying themselves a phone and lending it to you for as long as you are their employee. It's their property, guvnor, as is their laptop, their dual monitor, their keyboard, their mouse, their ergonomic chair...there's no end to the amount of kit a new starter can get hold of from certain employers, particularly if they work from home. I had one cheeky blighter resign and ask me, as her line manager, whether she could keep her ergonomic chair. Unbelievable, some people!

I won't get rid of my iPhone 13 and swap it for an SE3 because that's a tad disproportionate when Face ID works. They are good phones, no doubt about that; but the pro is where I'll personally be going next so as to take advantage of the stuff coming down the line that makes use of the enhanced camera facilities. My point is that Touch ID works better and, as someone stated above, why not therefore have both? The Face ID merchants can keep doing their eyes and ears and mouth and nose, head, shoulders, knees and toes. meanwhile, the likes of Scott and myself can unlock our phones without even removing them from our sky rockets.

When I first was able to set up face ID independently, it was due to an Applevis podcast I have saved. So check out Applevis Podcast 363.

That's so interesting bingo, if it were me, I think I'd want to buy all my own things so I don't owe the company anything, especially after getting used to a device/peace of furniture.

I'm gonna have a butchers at an android bone in a couple of donkies :)

I'm sure there is somewhere in the contract of the job or employer owned phone a line or two about them being able to monitor the device, and maybe even owning content placed on it etc. I know there was a trend a while back of employers demanding all passwords to social media accounts at a job interview before being hired.
Caught between having to use Face or Touch ID, and what I assume is a fazing out of Touch ID, I would like for Apple to come up with some other alternatives more convenient than the passcode. Short of the phone just knowing it's me, though, I can't think of any that don't have a bunch of problems. Voice ID combined with a phrase was my first thought,, but you could be recorded.

Brad, I get where you're coming from and if you can afford it, sometimes it's the best way to go. I don't want a company mobile (just something else to carry) so I have turned down the opportunity of having one. I bought my own Brailliant because I can afford to and that means my company can assert no right to fiddle with it. I do have a corporate laptop, however, one excellent reason being that if there's ever a data subject access request in the course of litigation I don't have to give 'em my own laptop.

Applevis Podcast no. 363 didn't help. I still prefer Touch ID.

How about tooth ID? If you bite the phone it would unlock. There's probably a podcast on it somewhere - the Mosen mouthful. but then, that would be difficult for those with dentures.

Employers generally do own the intellectual property on a work device unless, in the UK at least, you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in respect of it. Emails received at your work address, for example, might nevertheless be your own and carry a reasonable expectation of privacy. Of course, this doesn't apply to the US, where the law is different.

Podcast for those who do not care for it, do not listen or search for it. Someone could make the best podcast on setting it on yet people will complain. As they say in NY city, forget about it!!! Go and have fun with your phone the way you like and may the apple be with you.

They're not the best passwords in the world but no way would I ever do that.

I think I heard about that kind of stuff going on in the US and I'm sure at the time I was shocked.

I give up. You never take my remarks in the spirit in which they are intended.

Brad, you're quite right, in the UK employers are not allowed to know your password. However, they can reset it. That means if you storm off because, say, someone keeps insisting you listen to a podcast and you feel a touch patronized, the employer can still get at all the stuff you've left behind. That is necessary if a person puts in a data subject access request pursuant to the soon to be altered General Data Protection Regulations, colloquially known as the GDPR. When I say soon to be altered, I mean in the UK rather than the rest of the EU and members of the European Economic Area. The UK has decided, rightly in my opinion, that the GDPR begets a bloated bureaucracy.

I don't think I like that but it is what it is.

I suppose over here your employer can remotely reset your Mac and iPhone passwords, in addition to revoking your key card to the building. At the curb, the security guard hands you a cardboard box with your worldly possessions from your cubical. Who knows what else was in your contract until they inflict it...
@Bingo Little, what a strange idea. Is this Bite ID leading to virtual flavor? Why not have Flavor ID, and the phone could taste whether you really are you. The phone is licking my hand again! Bad phone! Ouch! The phone bit my finger.
At least I didn't bring up the possibility of people stealing other people's face to wear, like in that cannibal movie, and using it to unlock their phones. I wonder if Apple thought of that...

They say fingerprints are unique to the individual, so if you happen to have an identical twin, they're not going to be able to unlock your phone.

I wish I could say the same about Face ID, but I can't.

My brother can unlock my phone, and yes, we have tested it a few times and the phone can't tell the difference.