iOS versus android, 2023,

Good review, although I think there are a couple errors in spelling. I like iOS a bit better than android for now, mainly because braille support on android still isn't where I would hope. iOS has gotten a bit worse as well, but it's still better IMO.

Trust me; it will make your posts a lot easier to read :)

Or, if typing doesn't work for you; you can connect a bluetooth keyboard and go from there.

The way you write your reviews, I'm afraid, really detracts from their substance and usefulness. It's not just spelling, but the use of punctuation and style. Personally, I find your reviews a difficult (albeit at times highly amusing) read because of your somewhat maverick deployment of punctuation. As to style or layout, look at some of the other longer posts and reviews on here that will, as a minimum, use paragraphs. When you're going on from one aspect to the next, for example from setup to unlocking, change your paragraph. That's a good tip for general writing style as it is for writing reviews on here.

I've now changed paragraph as I wish to talk about the substance of your review, about which I have one question: what sounds featured in the sounds library 60 million years ago?

I have an iPhone 13 and a Pixel6. That said, I still echo many of your sentaments about the operating systems. I will disagree about the face ID part, (setting it up was a challenge but it works great in the end), but that thumb print on the pixel is a nightmare! Also, I miss eloquence on my android. It had it until OS13, and then it failed. Haven't figured out how to get it back since. So for now, iPhone is winning there with it built in.

Your last comment was a little hard to understand.

Do you know how to touch type? If not; you should learn, it will help you if you want to get a job in the future.

I agree iOS is far better. Lets see on Android there is no system wide copy and paste. The spell check in talk back 13.1 is half baked. You can’t spell check with a Bluetooth keyboard. There is no Eloquence on Android. You can’t do everything using a Keyboard. If using iOS you can use a keyboard or braille device. Does iOS have bugs? Yes but at least they listen to the Users Google doesn’t!!!!!!!!!! Talk Back will never catch iOS not with the Baby steps it is taking.

I understand that you are using dictation to write reviews, but when dictation gets some things wrong, you need to edit those and fix it. You can’t just leave it as it is, it’s going to make it two times harder for other people to understand what you’re trying to say.

I love how threw out your post you’re mostly hating on the iOS, but then, at the end you say that iOS is the dominant device.

It is interesting that the iPhone is the way better device in your opinion. But then dictation doesn't work properly, spelling mistakes do not get fixed (maybe cause it is too hard to use the rotor?) and there is mostly negativity in your post as well as in the comments.

I keep switching between iOS, Mac, Windows and Android. And the picture is definitely not that clear anymore.

It makes me sad that myths about Android still keep popping up, such as systemwide copying. You can copy the last spoken phrase, Word, Character etc. using Talkback. That is the case since at least 2012 when I used my first Smartphone. Using CSR you can do way more than this.
But let me keep to Talkback for now: I am not sure if editing text on Android is easier or harder. Maybe that is extremely individual. I personally don't like the rotor-gesture but then again you can change it if you wanted to. The same applies to Androids gestures by the way.

So is any one plattform better, more accessible? Not really. It depends too much on the individual using it.

It was said that Google is not listening to it's customers, Apple does. I do not subscribe to that theory anymore. I have written to Apple multiple times with very work-critical bugs which did not get fixed for over a year now. I am talking of random text missing in PDF-Files and in certain languages wrong pronounciation of certain characters and words wich contain those characters. Having those bugs I had to switch from the Mac to a Windows PC to get actual work done. Does Google listen? Honestly I don't know.

Could Android be better? Hell yes! Could the iPhone be better? Yes indeed! Prefering one of the systems is no problem. Liking and disliking certain things is fine too. But crapping on one platform, on features or any part or choices others make is just wrong. Use what you want to use. Be critical but if you, in general, need to look down on the coices of others, you may need to take a hard look and ask yourself if that is right what you are doing.

One last thing: I agree that the initial post is hard to read. However I don't like the way some in the comments are phrasing their criticism. Though mostly helpful I think as a community we should be more kind with each other!

Greetings from Germany

I'm going to be blunt here and say I couldn't even get through your review, with all those mistakes.

Please stop dictating your posts, dictation does not work with an Australian accent.

I should know, I'm also from Australia and I tried to dictate messages in the past, luckily I proofread everything before I post, and most of the time they are horrible.

If I don't like how my posts turn out, even when writing, I'll simply ask bing chat to clean it up, and it works pretty well.

So now the question is, is this me writing, or is it Bing improving this post?

This time, I don't think I will run it by Bing and post as is, after all, you can't always rely on AI for everything.

Although, it does make something that sounds like a child wrote it, sound more mature, especially if you write, make this text sound better for an online forum.

You don't have to even do that, you can just say, can you clean up this text, and it will do that.

It seems that most posters on Apple Vis about Android with Talkback or any other screen reader agree that on-screen typing is sluggish. This was not addressed in the original post, as far as I can tell..., and to me, would be the show stopper for a phone that I carry around without a bluetooth keyboard.
If it were a tablet with a folio keyboard, I might put up with it because I prefer using a physical keyboard to all the gestures and thumb typing and swiping. I probably just have a sloppy hand posture.

Still using iPhone and will keep using because voiceover is better than what android uses. However, Voiceover is getting worse every year and so many bugs more than a hotel in NY city. If talkback gets better regarding all things such as setting it up like VO if you just started, I would move. Galaxy phones are nicer from what I am seeing. However again VO still up head than talkback. Bella the cat still likes phone and iPad.

Typing is a little bit hit and miss. There is a setting in GBoard though which seems to rectify this issue. Have to look on Mastodon to find it again. If I do and anyone is interested I might post it on here.

Yes, if there is a legitimate solution to the Talkback typing issue, post it here. I think there was also a complaint about there not being a Talkback function where you lift your finger to enter a letter, rather than double tapping, but I may be mistaken because I think I've done that on my Fire tablet, which is Android based.

Dunno if anyone else noticed that Braille Screen Input isn't what it once was. Still a win for iOS, though, I think. I haven't used recent Android so I'm not prepared to make a definitive judgement, though it seems clear to me that iOS will always be at the cutting edge simply because they're putting in the effort.

Hello, Maybe I misunderstood you but I'm really surprised you mentioned that Android is better in terms of accessibility. It's getting better but lags behind iOS. I have to use an Android phone which is usable and what I've found: 1. My primary language is Polish and I was unable to set up a Samsung phone with Polish speech synthesizer, the same happened when I once set up a motorola device.
2. Adding, removing or deleting unnecessary icons on a home screen is much more difficult than on iOS.
3. IOS seems to be more comfortable but it is also the matter of preferences and habits.
4. One thing that has improved is the ability to type Polish Braiile characters. Previously, I had to dictate and I personally don't like dictatin what I wanna write.
I don't want to force anyone to use one system or the other, yet it needs thorough comparable analysis and believe me, Dominic, the ability to use an Android phone may also be affected by the model you're actually using.

Talkback does have BSI now. However, I do feel that it is a little sluggish. Still though, at least they've got it now.

I'm actually testing Commentary Screen reader right now, and man I wish it had braille in it. The responsiveness of the device is much improved with that screen reader!

That said, I also still use my iPhone as my primary phone and don't see that changing any time soon. It's fun to explore, but I'm much quicker and efficient with my apple device.

OK. For those who use it. Send me a google phone for me to test. I will let you know if is true. FYI. When I got my iPhone, did not take any classes for using the phone or voiceover. I just press siri and ask for VO to turn on. Will I get the sane with google phone or any other phone that uses android? Let me know if you are sending so I can get you my address.

But in response to the question, much like the triple click of the home button to turn VO on right out of the box, the majority of the newest google phones have a shortcut to just press and hold both volume keys to start Talkback, allowing independent set-up of the device right out of the box.

For the record, I'm relatively sure neither Siri or google assistant work right out of the box. I'm pretty sure both require internet to do what they're told/asked.

If you want Eloquence stick with iOS. Apple is listening to its users. Did they have to add Eloquence no. That is proof they listen to Their users.

Not me. I only use it with jaws in my PC. I tried it in my iPhone and iPad. Quality was bad and no longer use it.

No. When I get my phone from the box, pushing side button and I ask Siri to turn it on she does. Maybe in the past but now you can do more with siri in your phone without WIFI.

Still waiting for someone let me test a google or galaxy phone with talkback.

No thanks. Those who love android keep stating is great. Want to test but not want to purchase.

Use what works and you're happy with. You can't do more.

I switched to Eloquence when it became available; haven't switched back. I keep thinking about it, and it keeps not happening. A bit like my attitude to Windows, really. It's almost as though speed and clarity are important? Yep I do have hearing loss, but I can still tell that they're using a lower sample rate than the JAWS version of the synth which seems to be ultra-refined. It's still just too good to give up. Though this weekend I'll brave the elements to try it, see what happens.

As for eliquence, I prefer it but that's cause i'm used to it from when I used JAWS years ago.

I won't use it on IOS though, it's to crushed sounding for me.

I think I prefer it because it can read fast and uses propper questionmark and exclomationmark inflection.

I'm going to be honest. I don't understand why people have so much hate for android or iOS. They have some differences, but they are both decent. They aren't that different. They are designed to work on rectangular, or square flat devices operated by a touch screen. If you are already using one there's not a good reason to switch if you don't want too. I have an IPhone and I like it. That was the first operating system I used like this. I also have an older Samsung tablet that I use for fun sometimes, and my boyfriend has a fire tablet. I will say, hating android is rather different than hating iOS because android is technically open source, and is designed to be able to be customized to work on many devices, and these customizations can change the experience of using it. So I have a fire tablet and that tablet is technically an android tablet, but it doesn't feel like one. You can only use VoiceView, there are less ways you can customize it without doing some tweaking to the OS itself. I have an old Samsung tablet my mom gave me. That feels more like stock android, but has some features unique to Samsung, and comes pre-installed with voice assistant. I didn't like that screen reader so I got talkback. Honestly, hating android because of one phone or one device is a little silly. Before you choose a device, try it out or check out the features, because your experience with android from one device to another can be really different. One device could have sluggish typing, while another could be super snappy and quick. Also, sometimes things work better with one screen reader over another. Also there are apps exclusive to each operating system so having each is kind of cool.

I think each OS has its own strengths and weaknesses. But I still like the vast range of customisations on Android a bit more. You guys can read my comments titled "App-specific gestures" on another thread (https://applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/running-out-ios-gestures#comment-147159).
I see that some of you are having play with CSR. Yes, that app is such a nuisance to set up right, but once you get it, it works like a charm. I plan to switch back to iOS in the near future, but I bet I'll miss it terribly for the customisability.
For instance, some critical features very critical to my independence include: Virtual screen, element text buffering, and per-app gestures (detailed in the other post linked above). Virtual screen allows you to OCR the current screen. Then, you can activate, click or just simply read the resulted text. It's extremely helpful when, say you have an element that for some reason, you can't interact with it maybe because the screen reader doesn't recognise it as a button, but just a piece of text, or because of grouping issues, the element you want to interact with does not lie seperately but as part of a large junk of text. By text buffering I mean, in certain messaging apps which is not very accessible, I can't really read each message in the conversation by words or by characters with Voice Over. It treats the whole conversation content area as one single massive element, instead of individual messages in a scrollable list. It is the same for Talk Back, but I guess CSR uses some secondary buffering techniques that it does not really happen.

Hello one thing that’s important to differentiate is android system updates because in terms of android handsets googles pixel phones receive it first with manufacturers such as Samsung they are tied down by the major cell carriers like T-Mobile or Verizon