iOS 16 bugs

These bugs are rediculous There are also focus bugs. There is also a bug where the Speech will randomly go away. Apple QA has gone away.

If Android can catch up to iOS they could be a real option. I wonder how much accessibility testing Apple does. I run the betas and report the focus bugs and still not fixed since iOS 15. This is not acceptable.

Given that apple is currently significantly ahead of android on accessibility it makes sense to focus efforts on having them give accessibility higher priority instead of trying to start again with android but maybe there could be a plan of the most likely way to get apple truly engaged with accessibility as a core part of their OS instead of an extra they get round to fixing when they can be bothered which is very often never or after months and even years which suggests they just don’t put enough priority on it. The 2 ways I can see of achieving this would either be public shaming them which tends to work in our current political climate but isn’t my favoured option or trying to find a way to have them understand how crucial these features are to us. I mean, they already kind of have an idea because they will use accessibility in their marketing to show how great they are but don’t put the leg work in. Maybe if they understand the ramifications of a simple bug for us they’d elevate its priority in the bug fix hopper. Things on iPhone can already take between double and hundreds of times the time and effort for us to achieve compared to someone sighted but a bug can make simple things incredibly frustrating to almost impossible to completely impossible which has an enormous impact on our lives. Speaking personally at least. I can be feeling pretty good about things but after 2 hours of trying to fill in a simple web form for example my outlook is not quite so rosey, I feel shame, failure negativity, anger, frustration uselessness and hopelessness. All this could be removed from my life by a simple decision by apple to treat accessibility with the same care and attention they give to bugs sighted people might come up against. What are others thoughts?

Since Apple doesn't seem to care and I base this on their actions or lack of them it is time to get on to both companies. People forget Google could easily catch up to Apple. They could easily hire and put a huge focus on accessibility so don't write them off. Here is how to do it.
https://support.google.com/accessibility/answer/7641084#disability-support
I would still contact apple but don't expect them to make meaningful progress. I hope they prove me wrong but I go on Actions. When you can't even return a phone call properly unless you use Siri that is a problem. It is not an all the time issue but if you go under recents there is a focus issue. It has been present since iOS 15 has it been fixed? Oh yes they fixed it alright Its worse in 16. I don't call that fixed!

Thank you Dennis for the link to Google accessibility. I have submitted my plea to them. Also I was wondering if maybe instead of a company attempting to make an operating system work for everyone it might be better if they made separate specialized systems.

Google has made some progress over the last few years i hope with more contacting them it will make them take accessibility more seriously.

Yes. Agree. If it get better, I am history from apple.

Holger I completely agree with you. More over the only way it will get better is if we all push for it. We should be able to spell check. We should have system wide copy and paste. We should have a system wide dictionary. That is just a start. if we all start asking for the same things it is more likely to happen.

As someone who has just switched back to iPhone after using a galaxy S20 for 2 years, I can say using an iPhone again is a massive leap in usefulness when it comes to accessibility. We're a long way from Android being a good option for us who use our phones for anything more than calls, texts, and some social media apps. Also, when there is a bug with talk back, good luck getting it fixed. The volume for the talkback voice had a bug where it was too loud even at lowest setting, Google, or Samsung, never fixed it. The bug Started at the end of 2020, up until June of this year when I finally decided enough was enough and they were never going to fix it, so I switched back. There is no "Applevis" style site for us who are visually impaired on the android side, so if you run into an issue, you're pretty much on your own, unless you can find a solution on YouTube or something.

First android 13 is in the works. I would recommend you try it. As for the sight how did Applevis get started? A few users. This could be done for android.

Agreed. I wish there was a "googlevis" and a "windowsvis" so that there could be good resources of apps and tips for blind and visually impaired people no matter their chosen platform. The mainstream has several sites dedicated to the different platforms. You have 9to5, which has an Apple and a Google centric version. Then there are sites like Mac Rumors, Android Police and Apple Insider. Then there are iMore, Android Central, Windows Central and their used to be crackberry, which all used to call themselves Mobile Nations. Ah... they had some good podcasts back in the day.

The pixel 7 event got me thinking about this since they demoed a new feature called "guided frame" that's supposed to help a blind person take better pictures, particularly selfies. The demo makes it sound a little better than what the iPhone does, but of course they made it sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread, just like any company does when advertising a new feature, yet no part of the made by Google event had any audio description. I would hope that if they're going to demo a feature specifically made for the blind that Android would be stepping up its game with accessibility. The cynic in me thinks that as cool as that new feature is, that they just put that demo in for PR points.

I'd like to see a world where people's number 1 reason for choosing their phone wouldn't have to be accessibility. Would I switch? Probably not, but this makes me want to at least go to a store and play with a Pixel 7.

Although, how much more complicated would it be to figure out issues when you add in all the different android phones? I have not seen either of the bugs the op mentioned, but if it were Android, it brings up more questions: What phone are they using? Which version of Android? Are they using a different launcher that might be causing problems?

Would people, or perhaps they are now, be recommended to get a higher end Samsung Galaxy or a pixel phone to get the most accessibility, which cost the same as, or if not close to as much as an iPhone does anyway?

But yes, I agree there is probably improvement that can be made on both iOS and Android.

I posted on android central about that talk back bug I mentioned back in 2020. I got one reply from someone else who was experiencing the same issue ever since. The problem is with talk back, whenever you google it trying to find a solution to an issue, all you find is people complaining about it, that they can't remove it from their phones, or people asking how to turn it off. There are bugs with Voiceover and it's far from perfect, but there just isn't a big community of visually impaired android users.

Honestly when I read some of these posts I wonder why so many people are spending this time complaining about how terrible Apple is every time there's a serious bug. All software will have bugs, and shaming Apple or saying the bug will never get fixed, etc, won't help. Think of all the accessibility bugs in every IOS since the beginning. Those were all fixed at some point, right? Why stop now? I don't know why they don't have a rule about this, because in my oppinion, it's a big problem, and has been for a long time now. Am I disappointed about these bugs in IOS16? Sure I am. But I'm not going to spend my time going all over Apple for their "lack of effort". Is accessibility there top priority? Probably not. But why should it be? I know they've worked hard because of the fact that they're bringing accessibility features, that could really help us. Maybe our problem is that we don't pay attention to these fixes and features as much, but to the bugs being introduced. For me, although I'm disappointed that there are these new bugs, I just think of some of the disasters that were previous updates and think about how much better this update is than some of those. Anyone who agrees with me come on here, because I know there are people. Okay, rant over. My poor braille display is probably gonna freeze up soon. Just take this into consideration. Bye for now.

While not as content rich, here's a community of Blind Android Users:
https://blindandroidusers.com/

I have to admit I'm curious about the content of android updates. If I search up on Google "Android Accessibility bugs" nothing good comes up.

The main menu isn't as detailed as ours, and the downloads section which I'm hoping will get some decent info in non-audio format the way I prefer it takes me into Onedrive with alot of file with nonunderstandable names, ... And you're right that the site isn't as detailed, it's just basic. I'm wondering if they have the following: App directories, Bug Reports, App demonstrations, Accessory Reviews—And where to find them? Does anyone know? I'm definitely staying on IOS, but I'm mostly just curious.

This is slightly unrelated, but yes, very generic googling on problems, usually I'm in the questions and I get very generic and dull questions like "Does IOS 16 have bugs?" Yes, of course it does. If not for the problem already mentioned, so many of these people are saying things like "How do I get Disney+ to stop narrating?" or "How do I get braille off my iPhone?" or other very contridictary questions like that. Man, why isn't anybody wondering how to get BSI (probably the braille question) to actually work? Or how to get audio descriptions to actually turn on? Are actual people even writing these? It's frustrating for sure. Now, that gets me thinking, isn't it strange how sighted people are complaining about accessibility features turning on, when we're complaining about accessibility features not working to our liking, when we can't even have them turned off. Sure I know a few people who can't stand VO being on, but some people here don't want to see them whining when they can live both ways.Which is why I'm glad to have AppleVis where I can go to find ios problems, but I don't think Android has something big like that.