Logic Pro X version 10.5 is out! With many enhancements for VoiceOver users

Hello David

It's great that you operate in the area of ​​accessibility.

How does the change of parameters look like in the current version? e.g. panorama.
In previous versions, the change was completely random, I could move the panorama 5% to the left, and then return only 4%. Due to this positioning in the center position was not possible.

Hi David!
Thank you so much for engaging with the community, and the excellent work you and your team do on accessibility in Logic! I'm looking very much forward to playing with the new version.

As a music student and practicing musician, it means the world to me that you prioritize accessibility

Best
Malthe

Hello.
This is amazing, and I can't wait to get it downloaded. However, I have a few questions in regards to the event list and tempo changes.
VoiceOver focus can be very jumpy from within the event list, as when I have to double-click to activate the text field for entering in a note manually, VO sometimes jumps to the main part of the window.
Sort of in the same regards, is there a way to increment the tempo by 1 using the sliders (or the sake with the sliders in the event list?) It would make life a lot easier, honestly.

Hello again,
I've been able to download the update. To my (albeit limited) knowledge, here are some issues that I have run into that haven't been fixed yet:
Like I said in my previous post, changing the metronome by one doesn't appear to work, as the s£ider only increments by ten, and VO only stays in the edis box that appears when you mouse click the slider for a little over 3 seconds before booting itself out of there.
The tempo track also is a bit confusing. I'm not sure if this is accessibility-related but I can't seem to figure out how to edit the tempo on certain measures from within thetempo track editor.
3. I'd love to also be able to use the arrangement track for arranging Drummer regions ouz it appears that the Drummer will make a region that would fit into a chorus or verse), but i can't seem to be able to do anything in it.
The event list issues are basically the same as the tempo issues, as it appears to be a app-wide (regarding sliders) or system-wide issue.
Hope that these made sense!

Hello there. I've seen this as a problem ever sense 10.4.8. I work with a lot of tracks in my daily productions and while, I can use the inspector to see what plugins I've inserted on a particular track, my work flow has always been the mixer, as I can see everything in one place. With that being said, is there not a way where Voiceover can announce what plugins I have on a particular channel strip when viewing by the mixer? If I want to see what plugins I have on a track, I would have to stop interacting with the channel strip of the mixer, go to the inspector, and finally, go to see what plugins I have. Let me know if I'm missing something here. Thanks.

Guys,
How use loops library with VoiceOver and add them on the track?

Logic is great in many areas and I’ve produced and recorded several professional products with great success; i’m always skeptical about upgrading to a new version, especially since 10.44, thank you so much for coming to this forum and introducing the new upgrade; i’ve been following the new features and can’t wait to jump in to the live loops and new sampler! Many of us veterans have found workarounds for some of the known issues, I will take a drive through and see about the sliders and other areas… Thanks again David

Hi David. Thank you for taking the time to post the announcement about Logic Pro 10.5 here at AppleVis. Not only was I thrilled to see a product manager from Apple post, but it is exciting to read how committed you are to improving the accessibility of Logic Pro for blind and visually impaired users. I'm intrigued about the new quick sampler. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I'm not finding a way to load my own samples into it. Is this possible yet with VoiceOver? Thanks.

Thank you so much for reaching out. We really appreciate that work is being done in regards to accessibility in Logic. I personally don't use it as much as I'd like to, but hopefully this changes soon. Very exciting update.

This is great to read. I love the update so far.
Are there any plans to make the new sampler accessible again? Currently it's nearly impossible to do such things like editing zones, looping, layering ... with it. A more accessible alchemy would be a dream to .. :)

Hi David,

Thanks so much for your work to make Logic accessible.
I compiled a list of accessibility issues with some power logic users who uses VoiceOver.
Rather than pasting a big list here, here's the link.
https://chigkim.github.io/logic-accessibility/
Hope these help.
Thanks again,

Chi

There is something that really bothers me. When you try to overlap two regions on a track, it causes the audio to cut.out. I don't know if it's a bug, but it needs to change

Quick sampler doesn't allow us to load samples because, according to the manual, you need to drag and drop into the waveform. The waveform is not visible to voiceover, I also tried hitting command v to paste it but no dice. :(

It sounds interesting and I would love to have it for my IPad.

Hey David!
First of all, thank you, thank you, thank you very much for reaching out to the community. It won't be easy to make everyone happy, but I sincerely applaud you for being courageous and reaching out. This really means a lot to us!
Second, as you move forward with fixes and new implementation to make Logic more accessible, please also think about efficiency. A lot of users have learned to get around various accessibility limitations of Logic, but many tasks still take too long to perform compared to our sighted counterparts. I realize it's an ambitious goal, but I hope you wtake it on as a challenge!

Thanks again and I'm sure we will do whatever is necessary to make your job easier.

Thanks again!
Victor

when I last called in for logic, the support was all right, tge problem is when the accessibility folks get with the pro app folks and neither one knows about the other. Can this small issue be improved upon? the wireless departtment does nto have this issue. of you, Dave Earl, are not the right person to ask about this issue, can you point me to the right place for this feedback? I used to use Logic back in 10.4 but can't any more, do to storage limatations on my 256GB SSD with 60GB used for Bootcamp. are the SSDS in the early 2015 MacBookPros upgradible so I can start using Logic again? also, what is the new content for Logic Pro x 10.5?
Daniel

Hello there. I know the sampler is being worked on as being more accessible and what not, but is this in the pipeline as of yet? Being able to put a whole audio file on a track, for example, a vocal sample, being able to convert into a sample, and directly chop into smaller files directly into the sampler and map keys as we go, or transpose if needed? I think I see a lot of sited people do this if I'm not mistaken and would love the ability to have that work flow. Another thing that can be done as well is chopping each region and being able to transpose the regions themselves, and then convert the whole thing into separate sample zones, but in the sampler, being able to change what that region is mapped to keyboard wise. These are two work flows that I would love to have. I had to chop vocal samples for something that I was working on and transposing, but I had to bounce them all out as audio files because when conversion to a sampler instrument happened, everything went right back into their original key and pitch, I then had to import every region on a new track and convert into a sampler that way so that pitch and key would still be kept. I would love for ways to speed up my workflow when dealing with samples and EXS24, did it just fine interns of chopping up samples and mapping and all that. But with this new workflow that I've got going on, I'm not about that. Another thing is, yes, sited people can drag a file on to the track header and from what I know, if the sample plugin was added, it would ask what type you want, being as a drum sample, a single sample or what not, I do believe a dialog pops up, but for us, that doesn't happen I don't think. Besides the sampler being a big thing most of us can't use right now in terms of sampling, not including the quick sampler, because that thing, on its own, does wonders. I honestly thing that this is one of the big things of logic 10,5 of which, I'm not liking and would recommend hip-hop blind producers just to stay on 10.4.8 if you're dealing with chopping samples. I'm one myself, but my setup is different of which I use native instrument's samplers for my drums and I make all my loops from scratch, so hardly use the sampler at best, but there are going to be times, where I want to chop up samples and use with ease and native instruments sampler doesn't allow for each zone to be mapped to a different key and doing vocal chops and play that on a track to track bassist, or just chopping in general, na, rather not do that. If you need a recording of what my work flow is currently for chopping up a vocal sample and converting to a sampler instrument, because believe me, it's tiring to think about because I can't use the sampler accessibly to do stuff of what I'd like to do, I can't think of any other way to use this. And believe me, I've looked as well. I've been using logic for a long time and when I feel that something isn't right, usually is true. One more thing that I would like to add. Note repeater. I know what all the buttons do because I've been using it for a long time, but label them unlabeled buttons pretty please? It would help a lot. The note repeater often gets overlooked because we don't express a mentioning in the buttons because we all know what them unlabeled buttons do but as for someone who is new to logic, and yes, tutorials do exist, I would rather have someone look at that, not knowing what they are doing, rather than looking at unlabeled buttons and getting lost along the way.

This isn't an accessibility bug (at least I think it's not), but when editing the start and end of regions using the left and right handles, it doesn't appear that the handles correspond exactly to the start and end points of said region. To my knowledge, when the handles are moved, they start off at the exact same measure number and show how long the region .. For example, I have an 8 bar region. When I move the left handle to the right, it moves from 8 bars to 7 bars, 2 beats, and so on. Is this by design? I'd personally prefer having the left handle when moved say where it is in the song itself rather than the length of the track, but that's just me. If a setting was added for that, that would be great.

I cannot move my sound libarary to an external drive. I've only git two USP ports. I could use a USB hub, but that is hard on my hardware. as Logic is processer and RAM intensive, I'm woreered that a hub would over time, brake my mac as when I had everything working in 2016, my fan alway was on to the max. my specks are 16gb RAM, intel CorI 7 processer, 3.1 GHZ, and my model is early 2015, which is old by the new mac standard. and as I removed logic completely, I'll have to redownload everything, which would take days, as I live in the country. I do not mind going to town for this downloading though.
regards,
Daniel

I have two 4 pourt Ancor USB hubs that work just fine with my current 2012 MacBook pro. So I will as Politely as I can disagree with you. It would work just fine. Or, invest in getting a stable 7 to 8 port USB hub that can stay in one spot. But then again, you would have to do just that, stay in that location, and that's not fun. So perhaps getting a 5 tb drive would work for you, and the other port can be for your Audio interface. HTH.

Hi all. This is a very interesting thread. I studied sound production at university after I lost my sight and was trained in Pro Tools, and I've used Amadeus Pro which is great also. But with the updates to Logic Pro X over the past few versions and David Earl's engagement here promising more accessibility to come then I'm seriously thinking about jumping ship to Logic, not least because of the cost of keeping Pro Tools up to date. Is there plans to make Flex Time and particularly Flex Pitch accessible David? My understanding is currently you can do a general select all function but as yet there is no way to manipulate the time and pitch of each note using the keyboard and voiceover? I'm really excited about what potential Logic has going forward. Thanks everyone, Macky

I have never liked the way ProTools behaved with VoiceOver, although just like the sighted world there are blind people that sware by it.

Hi david. Are all the accesibility problems sold or fixed. Thx