The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users

Has anyone reported these bugs to the Apple accessiility team? They need to hear what you're all finding so they can get on it. Thanks.

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Braille bug: The option to set the status cells to the left or right does not work.

I would not worry about it. I've ben a beta tester since early august and have encountered none of these bugs.

I truthfully do not pay attention to these bug lists as they are to me blown way out of proportion. I remember I did a post I think on perascope dismissing all of these bugs n 2015, and people were glad I did so. I might just do it again, maybe if I get the time this week. We'll see.

The team submitted so many bug reports to Apple, and you claim it has no bugs? The fact you are not paying attention when beta testing does not mean it is bug free. In fact, some of these still exist in 13.1, however it's still in beta so let's not talk about that for now. I'm glad for you if you have a smooth experience, but it's definitely not bug free. If you don't use a bluetooth keyboard or a braille display, you will probably generally have less bugs to worry about. That being said, bugs in the mail app are apparent to everybody who uses it.

I do use a bt keyboard actually. And have had absolutelly no issues. In fact all 20 or so bugs Ive filed are now closed. I can'tremember which they were, but I ave had a very positive experience with bt keyboards, 3 of them, and bsi, plus swipe and on screen keyboards in general. I fact a lot of us are just going to disregard the post and just upgrade. This experience is just wonderful and pretty much bug free as far as i can tell.

As I said, cool for you that you cannot even remember which bugs you filled. Try navigating by paragraphs to see what a great experience it is. If you are beta testing though, you are on iOS 13.1, so it's normal you don't experience all the issues mentioned here.

KE7ZUM you are making yourself sound pretty stupid here, as it takes only a couple minutes working through the above list on the iOS 13.0 GM to prove that your statement no bugs here, all rock solid” doesn't measure up.

Have you actually tested for the bugs listed above? Or were you happy to dismiss the whole post because Apple fixed some other bugs that you can't remember?

And, no, I'm not saying that I have experienced every single bug on the list, but I'm sure not arrogant enough to claim this as proof that those bugs do not exist for others.

I'm also not going to say that all of the bugs on the list matter to me. But, hey, what do you know, I'm also willing to accept that they might just matter to others with different situations and use cases.

Bully for you if you think that AppleVis is blowing things “out of proportion” by reporting such things as you can't compose emails or notes longer than 5-6 sentences with a braille display; can't select text by paragraph when using a Bluetooth keyboard; or will likely have the display spontaneously switch away from the color scheme you rely on, but don't expect us to give your opinions any credibility off the back of that position.

Well tomorrow is the day. Those who want to get iOS 13.0 will do so and those who do not will not. There are bugs in this iOS. I will get iOS 13 tomorrow. I made my choice and will deal with bugs and in September 30 get iOS 13.1

Thank you to the applevis team for reporting possible bugs with IOS 13. Personally I will update tomorrow and take the plunge. I am using Nicky and will update for security purposes.

I second Sarah's point here. I'll just wait and see what tomorrow brings in reguard to most of these bugs. I usually upgrade anyway, so I'm not worried. If there are bugs, they're not showstoppers in my book.

Agreed. The thing I hate about these posts is they make it seem like show stoppers. Yes i can select by paragraph I don't use a braille display or hearing aids but for what I use ios 13 for, taking notes during meetings, reading and responding to email which is long. I jut a few days ago composed an email with the combination o bt and dictation that was more than 5 sentences long and was able to navigate it fine and edit it, and do a lot more. I'm not at all worried about the bugs they brought up. If they are still her when ios 13 public comes out tomorrow, fine. The public can report them and I have every confidence apple will fix them hopefully in a day 0 patch.

KE7ZUM, you can navigate by paragraph and select text by paragraph when editing text, right?

If so, I would love to know which text editor you are using, as the only one I've found so far where this works as expected is Pages. I haven't tested other apps extensively, but Drafts, IA Writer, Ulyssese, and Notes are some of those which don't work for me.

KE7ZUM, and now you are predicting Apple will fix accessibility bugs as a day zero patch?

Are these the bugs that you don't believe exist?

The bugs that you think are blown out of proportion because they don't effect you?

And point me to the part of the post where AppleVis says that people shouldn't upgrade?

Is it where they say:

we strongly recommend that you read through this post and any comments before updating—as this will allow you to make an informed decision on whether to install iOS 13 when it becomes available

Or:

as these ratings are subjective, it is very possible that they may not reflect your own opinion or use case

The closest you get to what you are suggesting is:

if you are willing to hold off upgrading until the release of iOS 13.1 on 30 September, we recommend that you do so; as it is our expectation that iOS 13.1 will provide a vastly superior experience

Which, certainly doesn't seem like an unreasonable suggestion.

But, as you say there are no bugs. Well, other than those which Apple will fix in that day zero patch.

Keep doubling-down for now, as I'm sure that it's a smarter look than accepting that there might actually be some bugs, and that some of these might actually matter to people who don't have the same use case as you.

Perhaps you should read these posts more carefully from now on, then you may understand why you don't experience these bugs. In particular, you say that you can compose emails fine with a BT keyboard and dictation. However, AppleVis says this:
• When composing an email or note using a braille display keyboard, after 5 or 6 sentences, braille stops responding to input. This also applies to editing an already composed email or note.

So, what is not clear in the part saying a braille display keyboard?

If you are happy, so am I with the update. That's not the issue. You can't do a demo because it is private? As a beta tester, I suppose you know that the notes app allows you to create a new, blank note without any private info in it. Finally, why would anybody want to scare people not to update? Who here said hey guys don't dare update, it's so buggy. We are saying that bugs exist, whether you choose to ignore them is irrelevant. To conclude, 0 day patches do not effect accessibility bugs. Also, why wou;ld Apple even need to fix anything if it is bug free? Don't forget that not everybody has all day to mess with their phones and deal with bugs, nor is everybody experienced enough with technology. Posts like this primarily help inexperienced people to make the decision on whether to upgrade or not.

While there have been a good number of bugs that I and other beta testers have been sending reports onto Apple let’s not lose sight of how much of an incredible update this is for accessibility. It is by far the biggest update ever in the history of iOS. Take a look through the accessibility features added in the other article on the homepage to get a feel for how much of a big update this is but understand that you will not appreciate how far voice-over has come in the last year until you download and install the update. Honestly it felt like I had a new device if you are very nervous maybe hold off until 13.1 but personally I would recommend updating as soon as possible. It’s worth it.

Well now most of you can go a test for bugs with the next iOS. Nuts.

does a fantastic job here. I come to rely on their expertise whenever a new update comes out. Everybody has their own preference. Every year it has been different. When IOS 11 cam
out, I waited until 11.2 came out because that's when the braille display bugs were finally fixed. With 12, no problem. I just updated. With 13, however, I'm going to wait and see what the AppleVis team says. These people work very hard and I commthem for their great job! Keep it up, guys! Everybody has different needs. And
device is different. Thanks again, AppleVis.

thank you for that information. So the next beta cycle will pop up really quickly. I'm escited to see what's gonna fixed in iOS 13.1.1 or maybe 13.2.

If I didn't have a qwerty keyboard I wouldn't of been able to unlock my phone after set up. When trying to type it kept saying dot dot dot normal character or something like that. I also can not download any other voice because even though I have 15 gigs free it says no disk space. Daniel read most things with dot dot dot before it. I'm going to have to try and down grade back to 12. I can't believe they broke Daniel.

I have an iPhone 7 Plus with the Taptic engine but I can't use Haptic feedback. On Settings > accessibility > VO > audio is nothing like "sounds and haptic", just "sounds"...

Hi, I think the haptics are for iPhone 8 and newer. Also, has anyone noticed that everything has a $$ after it now? Also, how do you change the punctuation that is spoken, when tapping on say the dollar sign it says ignore, but I want to change that. How do you do that? Do ya have to create a new group, or can I modify say "some" I haven't seen how yet, maybe Thomas did something, but I don't remember.

Oh, I thought that all iPhones gonna be supported. I think it's an iOS 13.1 feature.

When I finished installing iOS 13, siri voice female came up and when I selected Tom, and play the sample did not play. I had to restart iPhone for Tom work.

I'm not sure if this issue is with the app or VoiceOver but I've noticed that text is no longer read properly in some apps. The one I've noticed this most frequently is the Good Reads app. If you search for a book and then try and move through the search results, Voice is silent or sometimes will say possible text and the book title.

So I would report this bug now, but I worry that I may be giving a false alarm. On an iPhone 7, when I try and create a new folder on my iPhone, I can move around the screen, but I am unable to actually name or create a folder.

It's exactly what you think... in spite of saying I wouldn't update, I did it anyway. I first started with a work device, but I started really liking haptic feedback and less noise. So when I got home, I updated the personal phone too. So far, so good. When I reread the bug list I realized... while I do use a braille display sometimes, it's usually for things like tweets and not lengthy messages. And since onscreen braille seemed unaffected, I went for it. So far, I'm not sorry. That said, I do still very much appreciate the effort put into making sure everyone knew the possibilities before making a decision.

Hello Everyone:

I just updated to IOS 13.0. I took the plunge for two reasons. First, like it was mentioned here prior I want to report any bugs to Apple so they could be fixed. The second reason was that I use a Focus 40 Blue Braille display, and in IOS 12.X I had so many issues with my Perkins style keyboard. I found that it did not type correctly (meaning that my key presses did not take). I Contacted both Apple and Freedom Scientific regarding the matter. They explained that it would be fixed in this release. I do have to say that they did. However, as a slight annoyance I find that Bard Mobile from NLS now has an issue. It seems to tell me each number line. For example it reads: 12/25. I have gone through the settings for Bard, but I can't find anything. Does anyone else experience this? I am planning to contact Apple regarding this matter. I am wondering if I should contact NLS as well. I did not have this problem at all before I updated.

Hope this helps.

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Having an issue where you have some sounds enabled but you've disabled the double tap "item activated" sound? Still get that sound with actions (swiping up or down on a message etc and double tapping)? Well:

Go back to sounds & haptics under VO settings > audio, and disabled "auto complete suggestion selected," and you will no longer get the sound.
I have no idea why that is labeled like it is, but whatever. It works.

Keep filing those bugs and actually testing stuff, because I hope Catalina turns out better than the last few versions of MacOS. VO on the mac is a wounded animal that needs some TLC to be relevant today. JMO.
Have a good one.

Hi all. I probably should've put this here and not in its' own topic. I wasn't thinking. So I've been getting a few tweets and texts. the notifications come in at a hair raising volume then are quieter. It's almost like that first second, someone turned up the tv all the way then it went down again. This behavior doesn't have much consistency which is kind of frustrating. I am using an iPhone 8+ and I like it. I also really like the haptick engine being so much more useful. Oh, one comment on them staggering the release of the iPhone and stuff. I think because they have so many devices, they didn't want to have their servers clogged up with someone who has watch, Mac, phone, pad, and even tv. Wow, that's a lot of things. Sheesh! :)

After updating to iOS 13, dollars is mension everywhere. What is the remedy?

Ok so I guess someone posted to my other post, that the loud sounds were a bug. I swear I didn't see it when I read the report. No matter.

I notice that with VC (also known as voice control) when I was in setting VC was activating. Is there a way to stop VC from giving you suggestions?

I suppose you mean hints? You can disable those in voice control settings.

Where in voice control setting? I did not see it or I miss it.

Thank you AppleVis for your informative blog post about the bugs! I'm grateful for this and considering the number of bugs (especially in the Mail app), I am going to wait until the release of iOS 13.1, providing a significant number of these bugs have been resolved. I decided to wait because iOS 13.1 is being released so soon after iOS 13.0 so really it's only for a few days that I'm not giving myself access to the new features! I am normally excited to update iOS straight away, but on this occasion I am happy to wait. AppleVis always is a great go-to resource when major updates come out!

Hi Godwin,
i've noticed this also. I'm running iOS 13 on an iPhone X, and ever since the update finished yesterday, I've been getting Dollar dollar after everything. It's a VO issue, not related to what's on screen. I haven't found a fix yet. Hopefully this'll be resolved by next week!

I am using X S and do not have this problem so far.

It sounds like many people are having issues based on their phone, but from my chair here, it's hard to tell.

I'm glad I held out, even though it means I'll miss the new features for a while. However, I must give credit to Apple for all their work. Their engineers are working overtime to try and resolve these bugs so I'm really glad I waited. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather wait and have a working phone than update and freak out. I'd rather watch as things unfold than go into panic mode.

I also again must give the AppleVis team credit for the bug report. I did some investigating online and noticed that Wired sited the post. That tells me something. If the mainstream press is encouraging people to wait it out, it's a confirmation of my own strategy. Face it, when you hear the Department of Defense tell its staff to hold out, that tells us something.

As I've said before, this reminds me of iOS 8, which caused many people to deal with crashing apps or an unstable OS. My friend had this problem with one of her phones, and she had to deal with it. When 8.3 was out, most of the issues had been resolved.

I think when an OS update is major like this, it's more of a risk to update. Last year, at iOS 12, the focus was on stability. I believe that's likely to happen with iOS 14 next year. But for the moment, if you're waiting it out, keep waiting it out. Personally, I'll check back on Tuesday to see if any of these bugs have been resolved. I encourage all of you to do the same. Thanks.

It could be a lot worse, it's not perfect but it works fine minus the dollar signs that aroniously appear with VO. other than that little thing, it works fine. We'll see come next tuesday.