AppleVis Extra #98: Recapping Apple's WWDC 2024 Keynote

In the latest AppleVis Extra, hosts Dave Nason and Thomas Domville convene to share their insights on the highlights from Apple’s WWDC 2024 Keynote.

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Hello there and welcome to AppleVis Extra number 98.

My name is Dave Nason.

Because it is June we are talking, of course, about WWDC and because it is AppleViz I am talking, of course, to Thomas Domville.

How are you today, Tom?

Hey, I'm pretty good.

Boy, was that a show or what?

It was.

Nearly two hours that went on and, yeah, it was probably the most anticipated WWDC I can remember in a long time.

Like everybody was waiting for this one, waiting for the announcement.

So before we get into the nitty-gritty, did it meet those expectations for you?

Definitely.

I had a check box of all the things I wanted to hear and it definitely checked all the tick box that I wanted to see and hear.

So I was very happy with the results.

And I know there were some disappointments out there as well, but that's what we'll be talking about.

Yeah, for sure.

And it's funny, we've had a few of these announcements in recent months from all the companies, you know, Google had IO, Microsoft had events, OpenAI had an event, and they've all, you know, Google especially and so on.

They've shorn the words AI or the letters AI into every sentence of the entire thing it seemed, whereas Apple, it was kind of, it must have been nearly an hour before they set the term, though I thought that was interesting.

So we might take the same approach to them and we will kick off with the regular updates, you might call them, to iOS and Vision OS and Mac OS and so on.

And then we can have a chat through the so-called AI.

That sounds great.

I think that'd be perfect.

So they did kick off with Vision OS and I don't think we need to.

Why not, man?

You know, it is kind of odd that, you know, it's only been four months since they released it and they actually have a Vision OS 2 that comes out.

I'm thinking, wow, this is kind of, not only that, but it really didn't feel like it was a 2.

I mean, it was like one big thing and that was it.

I was kind of really disappointed.

I mean, yeah, granted that 3D photos sounds cool now, but definitely not for anything for us.

No, no.

And laserhertz, you know, Marcus Brownlee, you know, he said, it's more, felt like more of a 1.2 than a 2.

Exactly.

It was like a 1.2.

It was like a 1.5 update.

That was it.

But I guess what they're doing there is they're getting it onto their summer cycle.

That's all that really is.

So next year, it'll be 3 and, you know, go from there, I guess.

So it makes sense.

But what it included was, yeah, you can turn any photo into a 3D experience or whatever the correct terminology is and some new gestures.

But from an accessibility point of view, we're not aware of anything really.

You know, it's still a product that is very limited in terms of availability and, you know, what it can do.

It's just a very young product.

It's coming to eight more countries.

And so I think it's Japan, China, Singapore, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, and the UK will be getting it soon.

So yeah.

So if you have an actual store, if you're in any of those countries, go check it out.

You haven't gone to a store even and checked it out, have you?

Oh, having not even attempted.

Not until they open up the camera and the microphone.

That is when I will look at it.

Yeah, I'm exactly like you.

It's when you can do behind me, my eyes and so on.

But even then, I think this possibly isn't the product for that.

I think it's a pair of glasses or something.

That is the product that we need more than this.

So yeah, we'll see.

We will see.

I think the big one every year for us is iOS, obviously.

So with the software running on our iPhones.

And there was a few kind of cool things.

I think the biggest one possibly was, and if you're, if there are any Android people listening, yes, you would want to say we've had this forever.

But it's new for iOS is that you no longer are locked.

You are locked into a grid still, obviously, but you're not locked into everything starting in the top left and just filling the screen from the top left down.

You can now place any icon anywhere on the screen and you can have big open gaps if you want to.

If you only have a few apps on a screen, you can just have them lined up at the bottom of the screen and just have empty space above us rather than the other way around.

Is that something you find will be useful?

Yeah, you know, what's cool about the home screen though, Dave, is that then I think this is going to be useful for those that are low vision.

Maybe not so much for the blind.

Maybe there's some purposes, but low vision, definitely, because, you know, they introduced the dark mode and being able to tint the colors of different things for your app colors on your icons on your home screen, which I thought was great.

Now with that, you can actually enlarge the icon so you can have fewer apps.

And so it makes it bigger so you can see it.

You know, I don't think it's going to play so much for us because I figure unless you're a touch explorer kind of a person, but I think low vision is definitely going to take advantage of that for sure.

I think the large icons could appeal just to having fewer apps in the space might help some people.

And I'd like to say as well, what I was talking about a minute ago, the fact that you don't, you can have empty spaces on the screen, you know, above, because I, for example, have, and I use focus modes and things and I have one screen that has my work apps on it, which, you know, I hide at the weekend or whatever.

And it only has, I think, 12 apps on the screen.

And before they have to be up the top of the screen, but now it can have them all down the bottom half of the screen.

So it'll be empty space is kind of there at the top of the bottom.

So they're easier to reach.

You know what I mean?

It's a small thing, a life changing thing by any stretch, but it's kind of convenient.

Definitely.

I mean, you get to rearrange it a little bit better towards the bottom that that's all you want.

And the adjustable widget sounds interesting enough that I don't think it'll make any difference to us either.

But I really am glad they decided to take the password and make it standalone.

That makes it more compelling because, you know, it's always been a pain in the butt to go under settings, go under password.

Now it's up in front and center.

So it seems like this is like a real deal.

It's like a whole brand new thing that we can access and knowing that, but they have also categorized it too.

Yeah, I believe there was memes already going around of one password executives crying.

Right.

Now, if you haven't looked at it, did you look at it?

It's pretty cool.

They got it all categorized too.

So it used to be like one big clump of all the things.

Now they got us separated by Wi-Fi and they got pass keys.

They got a verification of two forms and things like that.

So I really like how they categorize it differently.

It makes it a lot easier to go through and it seems like it's more manageable.

I really liked the password, so the Wi-Fi piece, because I went in there and I found, oh, there's a Wi-Fi that is still on my device from a holiday home.

We stayed in a few months ago, but you know, it's like, oh, I don't need that anymore.

You know, things like that, so that's categorization is really nice.

Right.

I thought that was pretty cool.

And you know, we got to give a shout out to the messages, rich text, text effects.

You know, that's kind of, I think we can all take advantage of that.

There's sometimes we like to bowl things and underline and things like that.

So I'm glad that they went through the rich text implementation.

The only downfall of that, I was really surprised that the RCS isn't out yet.

It's like they're kind of dragging their feet and not going to be out until this fall, which was interesting.

It's interesting.

They mentioned that there was very low keying.

They didn't make a big thing of it, but it is actually quite a big deal.

If you've got Android people in your life, which most people assume that we do, it's definitely useful.

Like it's going to make a big difference.

And I've always wondered, I've always found it interesting.

I know there's been talk about they want to lock people into iMessage, but the reality is actually the lack of RCS has locked people like me out of messages.

I use WhatsApp because it's cross platform and I've just never used messages.

So potentially they're opening more people to actually start using the app as well.

So it's, yeah, I think that's a good thing.

Yeah.

And you know, it's going to be great when RCS does come out and that way we'll all be not equal footing, but a better footing.

But it, you know, you can tell that they purposely are trying to keep iMessages on top of RCS and trying to make it better, but it's just a shame.

But anywho, that's fine.

A couple other things, just some notable things I played around and that they kind of briefly mentioned is the now being able to do call recording.

And I was like, Oh, wow, I can actually record my phone calls, which is kind of important because there's times I need to do that.

And then they have a chance transcribe to you.

So I thought that was long overdue because there's been so many years, a lot of people want to do recording of the phone calls.

And so to me, I thought that that was kind of a under the radar kind of a big thing that I liked about that.

Yeah, definitely.

I wonder what that the international actually commendably, I've probably this time last year we spoke about the transcription of voicemails and I was saying we, we want it.

We don't have it over here.

And I don't, I'm not sure about other countries slow down.

Yeah.

So it'd be interesting to see, well, there's, well, then that's shame.

My gosh, it's been a year and a while, right?

It's just crazy.

And the other thing I really like, I like this app privacy so I can make it.

Well, most of the apps that you have, and if it doesn't have the biometric to gain access to, I can lock it down.

So I thought this is absolutely fantastic.

So if you're one of those people that tend to lend your phone out to people just to be able to use, you can actually lock down certain apps to, it doesn't matter if it's a stock app or third party.

So I was very happy to see that too.

I thought that was a very welcome thing.

Yes.

Brilliant.

So that they'll need face ID or touch ID to open whatever app you designated.

Yeah.

Pretty cool.

And you can also hide apps as well.

So if there's certain apps that somebody for any reason doesn't want other people to see on their device, they can.

I had to think about that.

I was like, what's the purpose of that?

I mean, I understand you like you want to hide things.

I don't know.

It's just, I heard the joke.

You don't, you don't want your wife to see Tinder on your phone.

That's exactly, you know, it's like, what purpose would you do that?

I would be curious what, what, you know, good reason you would do that.

But, you know, I am, I don't know enough about this yet, but I think a lot of people may love the new map topography, whatever you want to call it.

So what I understand is it allows you to customize map routes and you can place notes and comments along the route and you can create these route.

Now, I don't know enough about it.

This is what they discuss and this almost sounds like a little drops that you just go from here to there.

It's like almost like voice Vista or you can create your own route and you can make little drops here and there, but this is all built into the Apple map.

Now I'm curious if that is exactly what I think it is.

And if it is, wow, what a huge big thing that's going to be.

Yeah, that's really cool.

And you can theoretically is it, you can get turn by turn spoken navigation and between this route that you've saved.

Yeah.

So it's not like based on streets or anything.

So they were taking an example of hiking in national parks and I'm thinking, well, why not?

Can I do that in the neighborhood?

Like you just got to turn right here and it may not be a street.

It could be a path or something.

So I had to, we don't know exactly how well this might work for us, but the potential is there.

Um, my gosh, they really cleaned up the settings.

I know that wasn't really mentioned a whole lot.

Now the settings gotten kind of cleaned up is much more organized and there isn't a whole lot in the settings.

You now have something called, we call an amp button at the very bottom.

So if you double tap that and then your list of app comes up and when I love about it, they actually categorize it by letter.

So you can use heading to go A, B, C instead of just swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe.

And so that was huge.

I was like, oh my gosh, this is great.

Yeah.

It's funny.

But under then you open some things and you go, where's that gone?

You open control center and there's like nothing in there because they've got a new control center entirely now and they've overhauled control center.

You can have multiple pages and you can move things around and have different sections.

Um, yeah, I don't know how you can control it all from inside the control.

It almost sounds too convoluted.

It's almost like it's too messy.

It's like, yeah, I got more control of the control panel and I'm able to expand in and categorize it, but it seems like it can be a big mess.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think a little bit like home screens and widgets and all that kind of stuff.

I think you can choose how much you want to put into it.

You can use the defaults and ignore all of that stuff or you can choose to, you know, go in and edit it and add stuff.

And I think third party developers again, we'll be able to create little actions where the control center, which I think could be really useful.

So I'm optimistic.

Good for you, man.

I'm glad one of us is optimistic, right?

Hey, you know what, one of my favorite thing is, is that on the lock screen, you know, that little flashlight button in the camera, but you can now replace that with something else.

I mean, how many times have we opened up our lock screen and actually hit the flashlight, that can now be replaced with a different app?

I was like, oh, wow, that is so awesome.

It's sad that one of my favorite features of iOS 18 is that I don't have to switch on my lock screen anymore.

You know, there's just so many things that they didn't talk about, but just, it might have been up on the, on the PowerPoint we didn't see and all, but another one I saw that I thought was really cool is, you know, it kind of a pain in the butt to add cards to your Apple Pay.

And it looks like now you, you are able to open up your Apple Pay and you say add card and you just tap your credit card or your debit card to the back of the phone.

So it reads the RFID off that card and it'll be automatically inserted.

And I thought, wow, of course, don't forget the T9 dialer that everybody seems to be talking about.

And for those that don't know what the T9 dialer is that now when you go to the phone app and you go to the keys, what do you call it?

The, the key pad where you enter your phone number.

If you just type in the first few letters using the Alpha Numerica T9s, like THO for Thomas and it'll bring up Thomas and you just double tap that in call.

So no more having to go through the contact and find the person you want.

I thought that was kind of cool.

Gosh, let's talk about some voiceover stuff, shall we?

Let's talk about some accessible stuff.

We're late at night, Thomas.

You did.

Absolutely.

I mean, and this is some stuff we didn't, you know, it wasn't in the keynote, it'd probably be in some sessions during WWDC this week, but we downloaded the betas and found some really interesting stuff, including a what's new in voiceover section that you can actually go in and be told what's new and not have to do looking for everything.

Right.

That's been long overdue.

Now it has a very full comprehensive list of all the voiceover new things you can find in iOS 18 right there.

So it's beautiful.

And a tutorial.

Yes.

You know, I got to play with that tutorial.

That is really set up nicely.

It's pretty comprehensive and it's very easy to do and easy to use.

It has a full blown tutorial for people that want to learn how to use voiceover.

This is fantastic.

So move over assistive technologist trainers out there because here comes tutorial.

Yeah, no, it is great.

I mean, the Mac voiceover has had it forever.

I mean, I got my first Mac in 2010 and it had a tutorial on it.

Android, again, TalkBack has a tutorial on onboarding one.

So, you know, it's one of those it's overdue, but welcome, I guess.

Yeah, definitely overdue, way overdue.

This is something they should have had from day one for people to learn rather than just trying to figure out using the practice.

What do you think of the live recognition coming through the rotor now?

Yeah, it's very cool.

I think it's still a little bogey at the moment, but it is a beta.

That's not a complaint.

I understand.

Well, the point is that you now can initiate live recognition right there on the rotor, which is kind of...

You don't need to do this.

What was it?

A four finger triple tap or something?

I could never...

Oh, it is a four finger quadruple tap.

I was like, there's no way I could do that.

So now this makes it much easier.

Just go to the rotor and you just switch and it has seen our people or door or whatever you just then when you get to a double tap switches it on and then you go.

It has text a little bit like the Seeing AI short text feature.

I believe that is the text recognition channel now in the Magna Fire app.

I tell you what's going to be, I think it's underrated and I think it's going to be a lot bigger deal than a lot of people will give credit to, but they now allow you have much more customization to audio ducking.

So it's not just simply on and off.

Now you can tweak if you want that audio ducking to be a little bit more concise together, or if you want the voiceover to be louder and so you got more controls.

I think that's going to be a big success.

Yeah, I definitely think that's good.

What else I noticed?

You notice the anytime you turn voiceover on that it gives you a very unique haptic feeling so you know that voiceover has been turned on and this is going to be very useful for us to know that it actually came on when I triple click it.

Sometimes it'll say voiceovers on, but this it's just nice to have a secondary notification that it came up.

So it's kind of a nice little feeling to it and I guess for those that are deaf that don't hear it now will be able to feel it too.

Exactly and I believe you can switch that off if you don't like it.

You can turn it off.

I noticed it immediately really and then the other interesting thing is languages has gone from the router and it's been replaced with some kind of voices which the idea behind it is it gives you a bit more control so you're not simply adding say US English and UK English to your router and then picking a voice within that you can have two or three or four US English voices if you want pulling in your router and you switch and it instead of switching between the language you're switching voice so it'll say Alex Samantha whatever you know as you switch through them.

Definitely I really like how they they consolidate that together.

I think that was a good step on their part.

Yeah I think it'll be definitely useful.

And now one of the last ones here that I think one of the biggest ones that I think a lot of people are going to be talking about is the braille screen input.

So if you're a BSI user you're really going to love this new setup.

Now I don't know a whole lot about BSI because I'm not a braille user myself.

However it seems like now there's a gesture that you implement.

You put your fingers on outside of the corners of the device double tap with both fingers and initiates the BSI automatically so no longer have to go to the router to initiate it.

And there seems to be some levels of things you can pick from.

I think there's like a command level where you can actually initiate different things like going to the dock or essentially you can use BSI in the same way you would use an external braille display to actually control the device.

Yeah.

Use braille cords to kind of move.

That's amazing.

Items and that kind of thing.

So essentially replacing your swiping gestures with braille gestures to actually control the device which is kind of cool.

Yeah I think it's going to be huge but that was pretty much a lot of stuff for iOS whether they mentioned that or not.

So I mean that's the beautiful part about being able to have a couple days to digest is that we're able to include a lot of things that they didn't mention that's going to be something you can look forward to.

Yeah for sure for sure.

And then well I suppose iPadOS is effectively getting everything iOS got plus the calculator Tom is very excited.

You know Dave that was probably the funniest part of the whole thing was that I thought Apple did a they did a good job and making kind of making fun of themselves when they said by the way the calculator comes to iPad and then you can hear this little cheering goes yay and it was really cute how they did that but I tell you what I have to admit they did a great job.

I mean I was thinking all right just a calculator why are we getting excited but I tell you that calculator holy smokes wow is that on steroids and enhanced so they did a great job of doing that if you like to describe what that does now.

Yeah they introduced something called math notes is what I believe they call this and yeah they connected a lot to the pencil but I don't think it necessarily is just to do with the pencil and so it can work out equations for you and all that kind of stuff so they certainly did a big you know with this they're going to do the calculator they're they wanted to go big with the calculator I guess.

Right I mean they really went beyond and I you know I wish this was around when I was in school my gosh I mean this is you don't have to have Apple pencils like you said you can use your finger and you can even input it by just typing it in and we're we're talking about equations folks we're not just talking about one plus two we're talking about like algebraic stuff even trig.

One of my favorite is that they got variables so if you have a you can have this designed to a graph and then from that graph I can have a variable that variates and so I can see from zero to ten for example and I want to make an input that and it puts in like oh my gosh not that's going to be totally great for those blind but the point is you can actually put in algebraic stuff so if you will put on x plus 50 equals 100 or equals y or I don't know you know what I'm talking about you'd be able to put that in there it'll actually calculate it for you for the equation for x or whatever and so I thought this so what they did they went one step above and beyond to make a calculator more powerful and it's not just for ipad like you said it just so happened to be the ipad but it's coming to the mac and ios as well yeah was there anything else on ipad that's not really nothing that really shined out to me besides that yeah so then we can talk about the watch where I think we were we were chatting a bit before and more and more every year the watch focuses on on health and fitness that's its core kind of purpose I guess of the product and with more improvements to health and fitness this year there's a training mode and there's a new vitals app as well which is I guess again we already had the fitness app and you go into heart rate and things like that but this seems to be going further again to kind of give you data about and that you're what it sees is your health based on the sensors and based on your training that you're doing it I'm really excited about the vital apps I think they definitely have pushed the edge I I you know some people said this wasn't a whole big thing for once I don't know I I think this training load and the vital apps I thought they were huge I mean those are something those two I would use there's been so many different update sizes like I'll never use that but those two I actually would use um you know the bad news out of all this is that you and I are out of the watch business now because it seems like they have gotten rid of apple watch 4th and 5th series along with original sc so those watch will be dropped from the os 11 so that's the disappointing part um it's great to see the live activities come into your smart stack um which is kind of cool because I do use live activities so I I don't know I I was really happy to see um those updates for the watch itself I I thought they were big for myself I I something I would use yeah the training mode will be interesting as well the training mode sort of seems to look at your if you use workouts a lot size it's supposed to kind of track how you're how you're doing and be able to tell you okay you're you're overdoing it today or you're you know you can go you can do better you know what I mean and kind of look against long-term data and all that kind of stuff so it'll be interesting to see again how good it is at that and how useful people find it in practice but it sounds good in theory anyway and yeah live activities it's definitely useful it's a useful feature on the phone so um having it available on your watch is definitely exactly and then they had a section did they call it audio and home or something that effect essentially home pod on tv os and yes was what they're talking about and did anything drop out you there I mean there was stuff like the audio boost for um for spoken content so you're watching it we've all been there yeah so we're amusing and you can't hear what their mum blakes I thought that was amazing yes it's called enhanced dialogues so essentially what that does it um they had a kind of version of it before but this is more improved so this allows you to be able to watch your shows or tvs or movies and be able to pull out the dialogue so the spoken part of the movie so if there's a bunch of effects going on a bunch of loud things in the background actually quiet that section down so you can be able to hear them talk so I think this is maybe it wasn't ideally originated for for those with accessibility but it's definitely going to be for people like myself that have hearing losses have a hard time hearing tv um with so many effects I really like that but you know the one thing I was thinking about you though is the insight oh yeah absolutely so now you I believe just swipe down and if you're watching a tv show or a movie it'll give you information about actors or you know all that kind of stuff information about who's in Nazi that kind of thing a little bit probably about what amazon do I guess and then also if there's a song playing I believe in actually the track yeah and you could be able to add it to your your playlist and what I'm not it's really interesting how you're able to pull all that information I mean they kind of stole a lot of that from google x-ray but um but it is what it is but it's great to have that so I was happy to see um that they introduced that to tv I mean even though it's kind of minimal with the introduced but at least there was two big thing that came along so I was happy with that yeah it's actually you know it is good it is good to see those improvements still coming down the line and mac os I suppose again the will and we'll be coming back to those those letters AI later but with where a lot of stuff is shared across the platforms both on mac os one thing that is new and I think will be very interesting to people and we'll be definitely keen to know how voiceovers going to play with it but iphone mirroring did you see yourself using this at all wow describe what it is even you know if the number one thing that everybody wants to know and I'm with you all is that going to be accessible I mean the mirroring thought of it is amazing I mean being able to see the screen and be able to hear the audio from the phone so technically you hear the voiceover coming across it so I don't know if that's will be the case but the bigger question is will it be able to allow you to use your keyboard instead of your mouse and if so I wonder if you'd be able to initiate the different keys to activate the things on your iphone if that does work as is supposed to wow that's gonna be huge it's gonna be huge but you know I don't know I mean because they had sidecar and that wasn't it's still not accessible so I'm hoping that this will be the case for sequoia that this is the one um what I really like about this most is the iphone notification that's more than than mirroring I I thought so any notification that you get on your iphone will now come to your mac I was like no that is ideal that's cool yeah that's the great thing that this was the advantage that apple have where if they have somebody locked into all of their platforms they just play so nicely together like they'll be interesting right but the good news is it using the iphones it's using mirroring is using the iphones voice over it's using the max was it I also had a played a little game with somebody yesterday of could you because there's already a feature to mirror your apple watch to your iphone so could you mirror your apple share iphone and then mirror your iphone to your mac and then mirror the mac to your vision pro and control your apple watch from your vision pro there there you go there you go that would be um I was gonna say the the best part about this my understanding is sequoia works on most of the macs already the only ones that I saw that wasn't qualify is the older macbook air so if you have a 2018 and older so you have to have a macbook air 2020 to be able to use sequoia but other than that it still uses the last year macbook pro 2018 is the low end of being able so it looks like sequoia will be able to be used for your laptop so I was that was another great sign too I'd imagine some features will be locked on me too and one of an edible you know apple's and look on my actually if iphone mirroring for example works on my intel okay we'll see we'll see and actually in the realm of sharing I think it was part of the ipad section but they were it wasn't clear to me anyway and I don't think it's been clarified yet is if this will also work on iphone but share play will now allow not just screen sharing but actually screen taking over control of a screen so you could share your iphone screen to me and I could control your iphone for tech support people and so on that could be incredibly useful and for us maybe if we need to get out of a jam and we need help with something on our phones from a family member or something like that that we could potentially facetime them and share play and they could uh control our screen I agree I I think if you get yourself in a pickle and you have a friend that can actually take over that is ideal I'd love that it would be cool if it was accessible for us to do that but I'm going to have a funny feeling it's not we'll see yeah hopefully we can we can live in hope yeah was there anything else before we dive into the uh the other anticipated piece of news no no I think that the the first half of the keynote was pretty much what we covered here and now for the big gorilla in the room were you aware that ai in fact stands for apple was that clever on their marketing part or what I was like oh that was totally brilliant on their part yeah it's just fair play to them but and I say fair play to them it'll also be very confused right you know I think they did a good job on that naming because I you know I was reading somewhere where they were not they were purposely doing with the apple intelligence on purpose because that way they can just kind of do a broad stroke all these things are based on apple intelligent even though that may not be entirely ai specific like we know so you know it's not always high to ai because it's using apple intelligent yeah exactly and I suppose there's three layers to it in terms of how it's working like there's a lot of they told us a lot of on device and it was functions a lot of things are just you know done on device with the with the very powerful chips in the latest iphones um and then some things will go to what they call the secure cloud um is that what they called it um private private cloud um you know apple servers that will be anonymized and all that kind of stuff but then also searing will know when something when it's something that it can't actually do as well as say chat checking team four point dot or four oh and it will actually ask your permission to go and send it off send the query off to chat cheeky g instead so it's kind of got these three different layers there was a lot of thoughts I wanted this you can really tell that apple was one to make this right instead of just pushing something out and having so many different hallucinations and different problems and not that it's not going to still happen as it will happen in some circumstance but the point is is the privacy was a big thing as we all know ai is going through a lot of headaches and heartaches because that the privacy issue and apple went way above and beyond what they want to do for privacy so it was beautiful that the layer one is all on your device itself so none of that ever goes to apple to anybody else and if they have to do something more complex like you said layer two goes to its cloud of itself but that's still anonymized and so meaning that they have no idea what you are doing it's just it's encrypted and it's just using for the computing power but the layer three which is really what kind of put kind of a tick in my check box is that one is serious to be more intelligent not just on device but be able to be like a gbt like and so it's so great to see that they made a deal with chat gbt and possibly google genesis that's what it sounds like they they're willing to open things up and not allow you to choose but i think that information still is anonymized as well as is being sent to chat gbt so the content itself is still going to be out there in the server so you don't want to send anything out there that anything personal on there but at least it's anonymized but my gosh siri this i'm telling you this this apple intelligent is just everything i i wanted and there was certain things i wanted first of all is siri be able to understand me and talk to me the way i normally do and be able to perform things on the device and on top of that going to chat to you gbt that was a big thing for me yeah and not give us those i don't know if and this on the web responses anymore and actually yeah understand even the way i was able to a bit more human interaction you know in terms of human like interaction in terms of you know you can if you make a mistake halfway through the sentence you can you could have had to fix this or follow up actually doing follow-up questions right so if it does that as well as they promised that'll be great the thing i want to know dave and to you too is that i was kind of in a way surprised that apple didn't have their own solution against chat gbt or google genesis and they end up having to do the third party to incorporate them and i don't know if that's going to be a permanent thing or if they just decided they were just so far behind they might as well just have somebody come in um there's a lot of questions about will apple keep dressing towards their own and just kind of slowly but surely kind of squeeze them out don't know it's hard to know because it's been talked for years about what you know siri it is what age and i commit in 2011 so 13 years of old now and it was incredible you know when it came out but then it got quickly overtaken by others and it was a lot of talk for years that apple's approach doesn't help you know what i mean that in terms of data collection and so on so can they keep up is the question if we're going this way but then there's also too much i you know there's a little bit overhyped sometimes around the words ai and you know what we actually want is the functionality we don't actually right you know what i mean have you know about some of the some of the stuff that's up to date so i am impressed with the onboard and the biggest thing i you know there's one thing that really stood out to me is that you can ask siri to help you find or hey where do i go to turn off this or that within settings and it will actually prompt you and tell you step by step how to do something so i said oh my gosh so you can actually ask her if you forgot where did i make this switch or i and you don't have to be exact you could be kind of just like somewhere in the ballpark and she'll try to figure that out so the how to section is going to be huge so i can actually ask her a question and how to find something on the settings to help you change things yeah that's really interesting wonder when i get them when i'll be able to do other it'll just be apple stuff or will it be up to my understanding it's just apple things so um so it's almost like they have a chat bot that's just for apple stuff so you can ask any specific question to apple so they got their own chat gpt but it's just for apple related stuff and that's my feeling what they've done here with that so um the other thing that kind of checked my box was the writing tools yes my friends i know a lot of you probably like hate it but you know i love the writing tools so that's built in so meaning that if you want to have a ai look over what you have written you can ask where to correct some grammar and spelling checking um and variations so you can say make this in a friendly tone or a professional tone as you know it's always built right into it and it's not just for apple stock so if you're in messages or your whatsapp any app for that matter you can still have that corrected so i was like all right that makes the second check my little box yeah i did wonder about that if they'd have that because it's um yeah you can have a change this just create something for you you can have it yeah like proofread or change styles for you or yeah whatever you kind of want so that's to be seen um image playground let's talk about that you know at first i thought oh my gosh i get to i create images myself and this is a lot of fun and but you know once again apple was smart in doing this because what a lot of places are getting in trouble to is that they're stealing other um people's work maybe they're stealing part of this picture this car this and it's all copywriting so that's where they get in trouble so what apple did with the image creation playground is that you can create images but they're going to be cartoonish kind of looking things so that way they're not stealing anything which is kind of cool so but still i would say i am curious um i know you can choose from animations illustration and sketch and those are the type of images that you can have it create but i wonder if i would say hey put me next to mickey mouse i wonder if that mickey mouse would be drawn out as mickey mouse because i that's where they get in trouble so i am curious how that's going to work i doubt that we'll be able to do copyrighted things but it will be interesting but nonetheless um what a fun little deal that you can make with the messages based on somebody's response you can create an image based on their response and so you can make them little memes or stuff i'd be interested to see again with uh how that kind of thing plays a voiceover not just the creation but actually if you share it you know will it be will it be all do you have to write all text or will it give you all texts or you know right that would be interesting genmoji i know if you're a big emoji user i'm the big emoji user so i was like and only the other day i honestly was uh texting someone and i wanted to do a laughing kind of an evil laugh and i couldn't find an evil laugh emoji and i was like yeah genmoji would be perfect here because i could ask it to create one coin oh my god genmoji is that so essentially what this does is folks is that you now are able to describe or uh tell the ai you prompted to what genmoji you want to create so it creates emoji based on that and then you can share that so it's your own emoji so um this is absolutely cool so this is where the downfall of all languages is going to go down because now i you know i predicted that we'll have this hieroglyphic kind of languages so now we are we can now have all these gemos if there isn't a word for it so what a big deal that is yes absolutely um yeah i think i suppose the other thing the theory theoretically we have to and actually we should say that a lot of this stuff is not yeah it's not none of it seems to be in the beta now but you know a lot of it is stuff that they're announcing now that may not even come till like into next year it's not necessarily going to be there even in september some of this stuff um i think they kind of have to announce this partly probably for market reasons i suspect this is so much what a bummer one important thing is that theory they say will theoretically be able to really take on full actions for you so you can it'll be able to read your screen reading and you could say do this and it will just carry out an action or go to this app you know so open be my eyes and take a picture i don't mean or whatever the guy might be i don't know there's better examples than that but that it will be able to actually yeah carry out full strings of actions potentially for you i think it could be very useful i i see a lot of situation where messages say hey how about we get together on this date and i can just say hey create a appointment based on this message and it'll create it for you and i'll put in the calendar and everything for you so there's a lot of potential in here that is going to be remarkable um like you said in beta one the apple intelligent is not available and we don't know when that will be available and when it does become available apparently there's a waiting list so um we got a long way to go through this and like dave says we may not even see it for the fall but it's one of those it's going to be in um it's in progress it's a work in progress that hopefully they get the build and building by time that we hit the next year i am anxious to see what the iphone 16 that's coming up this fall will entice in terms of will have any exclusivity stuff for apple intelligence so there's a lot to um questions and thoughts that um we will have to wait and see yeah because the season i think you and i are both iphone 15 pro owners i don't know about you but i wouldn't be intending on buying a new phone again this year and there's a lot of people on 14s and 13s and 12s with perfectly good phones that aren't going to guess uh some of these ai features they'll get all the other ios 18 stuff but the ai stuff you know this is another apple marketing employee this is excellent marketing apple's portion is say this is only going to be a bad one for the iphone 15 pro and above boy you talk about super cycle and i think that for those that have older device you know this is basically going to be that one year that this will be going entice you to really consider upgrading that device and that's a point that they're making and i think um as a business i think that's great as a consumer i think it really stinks but um if it does most everything i need with my iphone 15 pro i will be happy to stick with it you say that every year i do i do say that every year it better be that one thing but if it has everything that i need well i don't know but we'll see it is what i'm hoping the 15 pro at least will be will will be able to do that right yeah it's definitely got a lot of potential and it's it's interesting they're still taking a different approach to some other companies on this stuff but i think again they're they're doing that apple thing they're they're focused on this what it will actually do in practice i guess this is what they're trying to build you know after doing wrapping this all up and thinking about the keynote itself for those that we discussed on the first half you know all devices most devices will be able to provide all the things that we mentioned except for the apple intelligence of course um you know there's some people saying this this is very minor things and i'm thinking well maybe there were a few only a few things but i thought in general i thought they introduce some really big features features that i think that will make a difference to a lot of people so the enhanced mail and the new messages uh the password and the customization of the lock screen and the home screen there's a lot there and i was pretty happy i thought me um you know i've been disappointed for the past two or three years of the wwc i didn't think there was a whole lot to offer that came out of it that i thought was really happy about it but i really thought i would give it um i would say a b a b for the um older devices but when it comes to apple intelligent it was definitely an a plus so this is no doubt the biggest ios update i have seen ever since i've been beta testing this is hands down the biggest since probably the siri came out yeah i think it is definitely because i mean it's a nearly two decade old operating system it's a mature product now um so getting you know massive features every year is you know difficult and i think as it goes i think this is definitely one of the biggest updates we've had in a long time now some people were asking are there any new voices and this you know i get that a lot um not really there's some new languages of lithuania and some other languages that came about which is great somebody talked about nicky compact i don't know if that's truly new or not but um nothing like earth saturn nothing new um i was hoping that was the one checkbox that wasn't checked that they introduced some ai voices um not to say that isn't coming because we haven't seen any apple intelligence and any of that stuff to come through yet um that might still be in the cars it just wasn't mentioned but we'll have to wait and see i think the other thing that maybe people will be asking about and we don't know yet is around kind of image recognition so we still just have the the basic image recognition when you tap on a on a photo it'll give you that kind of basic um description but if you want the full ai kind of description you still have to hit share and go down and find describe with me my eyes or envision this or whichever app you're choosing to use seeing ai for those ai uh descriptions and it'll be really interesting to see a do they make it do they include an apple version of that that's much just just there and much easier to access and b could they make could they make even those third party ones easier to actually access without having to go through four layers of a share of scissors right it's one of those i'm waiting to see it once we get the apple intelligent because i that's first thing i'll do i'll go to photo open it up and i'll just have seri describe it to me and see if it does yeah that'll be interesting but that pretty much covers it thomas is there anything else you wanted to cover no i think we pretty much digest everything and we just kind of gave the meat of everything and without the mumbling and dumbling that we typically do thank you very much uh but of course if you want to know more about ios 18 and apple intelligence and all mac uh sequoia and all the different stuff that's out do check out apple base.com there's uh alex has written his usual thread on what happened again in the um in the event so if you want that summary again it's there and there's lots of threads discussing how ios 18 is looking so far so do check that out thomas i'm sure everyone can look forward to another series of thomas podcasts come uh come the end of the summer as well um demonstrating some of this news definitely come back in september i'll have a whole slew of all the things i've just covered plus more and so stay tuned and definitely come back to applevis to see what is going to be available when it does come out oh well um well i will leave it there so and say thank you thomas for joining me and thanks everyone for listening bye.