I have used jaws at work for years. The other day, I did something really dumb and managed to delete Jaws from my computer. Getting it back will take a while, because they need to try to find the license number. Meanwhile, I decided, after beating myself up for a while, to try narrator. at first, it acted like a three year-old who would obey only if it wanted to. The next day, it started acting more grown up, but I am still having trouble with some of the commands. When I go to my. bookmarks in chrome, I cannot type the first letter of the book Mark I am looking for. I have to arrow down through the choices, and even sometimes that doesn’t work. I am also having a little trouble with the address book in Outlook. With Jaws, after I pulled up a name, I could go into Jaws cursor and move through the line word by word. I can’t find a way to do that in narrator, which probably makes sense. but, I wish it were available. Any tips or suggestions would really be helpful. Thanks.
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Can you try NVDA.
You can also make it sound like eloquence if you like, you'll have to look into it though because it's not exactly legal.
Narrator Commands
For all Narrator commands & touch gestures, see:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/appendix-b-narrator-keyboard-commands-and-touch-gestures-8bdab3f4-b3e9-4554-7f28-8b15bd37410a
In addition, Narrator+ Space (scan mode) is the equivalent to virtual PC cursor.
Narrator is this little…
Narrator is this little thing that you forget until you really need and depending on what you need it for 9/10 times it works surprisingly well, well except for command line stuff where even chromevox is better.
When my hp laptop started to have weird issues everywhere and I haven't still reset it yet as I have my mac I used narrator for excel and it worked like a charm.
It's surprisingly good for touchscreens as well
Not even NVDA or Jaws support the kind of support Narrator for touch gestures. I can't figure out how to scrolle down or up on webpages with NVDA or Jaws, with narrator however, it's delightfully smartphone like experience.
I can't wait to get my hands on a Surface tablet, and see how Narrator feels with that Touchscreen and arm powered processer.
Narrator
We've certainly come a long way since 2017. While development has slowed considerably since 11 was released, it's continuing to improve. We just got a feature similar to speech history in JAWS/NVDA. It's called Speech Recap. I believe the official debut will be in the May patches for 11 23H2 and 24H2 on the 13th, but they're already in those releases if you install the latest non-security updates.
Narrator will also be gaining the ability to describe images using AI, but I'm not sure this is quite ready for the stable releases. It unfortunately requires you have a processor capable of running Microsoft's Copilot+ features.
Oo, interesting.
I've liked coPilot ever since I spoke to it near the start of the year, so this should be interesting.
If i could get narrator sounding like jaws/NVDA with eloquence, I might consider using it over NVDA, or I'd at least feel a lot more relaxed using it.
Do you know if that's something that can or will be possible in the future?
The new voices sound nice but i'm just so used to eloquence.
Sam
Who remembers Sam? That husky voice?
@Maldalain the microsoft one?
Oh no,... I might like eliquence but no, I'd never go back to a voice like that.
All I can think of when I think of that voice is.... For ground window.... Alt....
Ah, old xp narrator, it was so... broken.
No. Windows 7 narrator was…
No. Windows 7 narrator was the textbook definition of a so called screen reader, reading everything from left to right up to down with little control infos, no structure, nothing. But it was reading the screen! :)
Ah yes, microsoft Anna, wasn't it?
There was soooo much emotion, it wasn't the flattest voice in existance at all, noooo.
I happen to be rocking Narrator right now
As for voices, really? Have y'all not added the natural neural engine voices? They're incredible, IMO, and very responsive.
Narrator doesn't play well with Chrome. Use Edge--it has some nice features, like a reader view (F9) and reading the page aloud (control--shift-u). Takes some setting up in the preferences to get the shopping bloat removed, though.
I mmaligned Narrator greatly a couple of weeks ago in my review of the Surface Laptop, but I'm trying it out again and haven't screamed at it more than a few times today.. Two of my gripes are thatt, after I've put in time bending its keyboard shortcuts to my will, it destroys it with the next update, and there's no way to save it. I saved the registry branch, in case that works. Second, there are a pack of chipmonks eager to jump in when there are text attributes. Headings go up in pitch, text attributes in this edit box go total Alvin unless I lower the verbosity with Narrator+V.
So, yeah, lots to get used to, and several quirks/bugs. They really do add a bunch of features every year, though.
oh, and here's why it improved
The point at which it leaped forward was when they hired Mic and Jamie of NVAccess fame to work on it. I heard that in an interview. I know another screen reader developer who worked on it, too.