This probably has to be the stupidest thing Apple has ever done to us blind people, like, literally ever.
So, I decided to install windows on my 2017 MacBook Air with 128 GB of storage and 8 GB of RAM. Plug in my headphones, And go through the partition process, find the disk image, does that all of that?
But then I get to a sticky situation, choosing how much storage to put on the drive.
I tried to use everything VoiceOver command key. I can use to try and get into the slider to change it, but I’m unsuccessful, so I press the continue button.
I do the whole windows set up Singh, and then I come in.
I have my information technologies department install the drivers for me, since they weren’t installing correctly.
I also had my Mac ended up to the school service, probably a bad mistake if you want to change security settings to BH.
so me and my support worker, check the storage, 300 MB, oh shoot, you have got to be freaking kidding me! But I continue onwards, pushing the windows disc to the final stage to that’s life.
Unfortunately, this doesn’t help my MacBook, storage is way slower, the performance is crap, And it feels like me using Margie thousand and 12 MacBook Pro all over again.
So, after windows was stupid enough to format my USB hard drive from Twitter about to 32 GB. I don’t know how that happened, I decided to delete the windows partition because
One.
It was causing some start-up issues on my Mac ,
Two.
Why not had problems on both Mac and Windows?
Three
It was making my MacBook really slow.
So off I go to the Boot Camp utility, delete the partition.
That was one at that moment, I knew I had completely screwed up, I have deleted the entire windows partition of the windows, volume, so hero was freaking out because we couldn’t find my history notebook.
Thank God the teacher had a copy of it on her USB stick.
Lesson learned, back up your stuff to external storage before deleting petitions.
But Apple, this is all your fault as well because you didn’t like that goddamn Partition slider accessible.
If I want a laptop, I’m getting an iPad Pro next time.
Thank you for reading my most embarrassing Apple tale ever.
By Dominic, 27 April, 2023
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Bringing this all on yourself
Sir, the apology. You posted to all of us here on this form it has just become meaningless when you yourself are continuing to create drama and not take full responsibility please grow upSir, the apology. You posted to all of us here on this form it has just become meaningless when you yourself are continuing to create drama and not take full responsibility please grow up..
I don’t know how this is drama
All I’m doing is saying my opinion, about the inaccessibility of the partition slider of Boot Camp.
I don’t know how that’s causing drama?
I have never used bootcamp but
I've heard of many blind people who have used it without problems, I believe there's a guide here somewhere around in applevis. Anyway, just use a vm from now on if you want to use windows on mac, it'll be easier.
Virtual machines
I can’t, because virtual machines don’t go well on the school network
Get a windows cheap box
You might as well find a cheap windows box that can handle what you need, or possibly ask them to rent you a laptop so if it gets screwed up, whether or not it was your fault, not saying it was btw, they will be responsible. If i want windows, I'll do that, not trust the Apple side because i like not to mess around with things.
Let's break this down
Problem 1: Your drive is 128 GB. Windows requires at least 64GB of disk space. The OS will take up about half of that. You're splitting your drive between two modern operating systems that will both consume dozens of gigabytes at the absolute minimum with nothing else installed. Systems like Android know smartphones have lower storage amounts (especially cheaper and/or older devices), so they're designed to take up less space. This is not true with Mac and Windows.
Problem 2: You didn't change the partition size. I've done it a number of times in the past, and it works well enough. If you couldn't make it work, you probably should have found a sighted person to help or asked the blind community.
Problem 3: Even after checking available storage (with another person) and realizing it's only 300 MB, you continued forward. This is not enough storage for anything.
Problem 4: You deleted your Windows partition without backing anything up. What did you think was going to happen? Windows and Mac use completely different filesystems. Of course your files would be deleted.
Problem 5: Your computer was being slow. Of course it was. You filled the disk up to capacity. That's what happens when you fill the disk to capacity. Your computer can no longer freely write data to the drive. It now has to spend extra time shuffling bits around and trying to optimize their arrangement on the NAND flash chips. This will reduce the lifespan of your SSD, by the way. It causes unnecessary wear on the cells.
Bonus problem: you handed your machine off to another person to install critical files. Bad infosec.
As somebody who loves throwing shade at Apple, this was almost entirely your fault. Frankly, the fact that reversing the position of command and option keys breaks them in Voiceover is far stupider a problem, but I digress.
You need more storage for dual-booting, you should seek sighted assistance which it sounds like you have, 300 MB isn't even enough to run Chrome (let alone save everything on your OS), I agree with @Siobhan about getting a cheap Windows machine, and I can't even figure out what you're saying when you randomly mention Twitter. Voice typing?
I'm going to be blunt, it's hard to believe your apology when you make posts like this. You at least recognized you messed up, but just this once, this isn't Apple's fault.
Hate to be this person
I hate to be this kind of person but, I have to sort of agree; This situation falls on you, not Apple. Stop attempting to behave as if it is Apple who is causing this process to happen.
First, as mentioned, Windows requires quite a lot of space. If you only have 128GB, of course you're going to have problems running Windows and macOS on one machine. You would've been better off getting something like a 256GB machine, then do a sort of split where you maybe have 112GB on windows and maybe, 144GB on macOS. Not an even split, but still gives you more room, since macOS is the primary host.
Second, unless you do not have the luxury which is completely understandable, you may be better off getting an actual Windows computer. You could even get a mini computer and then buy speakers, a keyboard, and a monitor for a way cheaper price, if you want to go that route.
But no, you are not really using rational thinking here. As they say, go with your gut. If you suspect it's not really going to go well, either seek help from available resources (AppleVis being one of them), or do not attempt it at all.
Have a great day.
It was a nice post to read
Diplomacy guys. Besides, the kid admitted he screwed up.
re, vertual machines
What do you mean by not go well with your school's network? In what sence? Also, youu can configure it so that the vm is using the address from your mac, so as long as your mac is connected to the wifi... that's it, you don't need to connect the vm as well, its just, set and go. That's how I've have mine set to, at least.
Virtual machines
According to my friend at the school who is a member of the Ashae department who really loves virtual machines says that it’s not older a good idea to run virtual machines on the school network, but I don’t know that for sure because I have not really tried it, but I don’t want to risk anything
And for the people that are saying, it’s my fault
I don’t know how this is my fault, considering I never knew it would be this bad, I thought I had put enough storage on the drive, and also how was I supposed to know that it only put 31 GB on that drive, never read anything to me Until I opens up. The settings menu in my support worker found out, at that point I tried deleting as much stuff as possible, but for some reason that it really work.
Just remember this would’ve been more successful
For some reason, when macOS 11 came out Apple change something in the UI, which made it a little bit less accessible, but doing something to the slider, which means Ooty
A, couldn’t have installed windows correctly anyway that done for whatever Random option windows chose.
For some reason, when macOS 11 came out Apple change something in the UI, which made it a little bit less accessible, but doing something to the slider, which means Ooty
A, couldn’t have installed windows correctly anyway that done for whatever random option windows chose.
B, I was going to work with that insane.
This also means that I could’ve perfectly installed windows 10 on my MacBook Pro 13 inch Mitchy thousand 12. Since that never support tomato sweating, it’s not the ideal machine with only 4 GB ram, but the 512 GB SSD would be Enough for macOS
And windows
re, vertual machines
Vertual machines aren't generally not run off of network, they run on your device alone through a app, I.e, vmware fusion, parallels, etc, not off of networks.
Windows Requires 64GB?
I had no idea Windows was so... bloated. I have a repurposed hard drive out of an XP-era Laptop that is 50GB. Ah, the good old days...
I’m surprised even managed to install
Subject says it all
well …
the partision slider was accessible prier to Big Sur. It’s a shame it isn’t. but, year, of course, Microsoft no longer permits ARM Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, because of their deal with Quolcom/ the good old days where windows XP, didn’t require huge amounts of resources and was a lighter OS. I might downgrad to windows XP, it’s the best windows out their. and to bring this back on topic, another thing that was unfortunet, was when Apple removed Bootcamp drives from their DVDs, and downloading them on a 1.5 MBPS connection, was extreamly slow. the good old days if Snow Leopard, where VoiceOver was mostly had fewer bugs nthan Monterey.
I have an IBM Singh Centre desktop was a Pentium 4 processor run
IBM think Centre desktop, 80 GB hard drive with 512 MB of RAM. It runs pretty fast as well.
Back to Boot Camp, you see guys? It’s not my problem, I’m not only that but I didn’t have any sort of assistance.
@OldBear
64 GB is listed in the system requirements, however a base install of Windows 11 will take up around 27.5 GB. Mac OS isn't far behind with storage requirements varying anywhere from 18 GB to 44 GB, depending on which version you're installing. Operating systems have gotten big in the past decade. In Windows (and any other OS), you'd want the extra space to store programs and data as well as temporary files, caches, memory dumps, and anything you download or create. Drives get very slow when near or at full capacity because of how data is stored and retrieved in clusters, rather than individual bits. The computer and storage controller have to take extra time shifting data around, getting each cluster to be as full as possible to maximize available storage. It's easier to just buy a bigger drive and not worry about it. Your computer runs faster, your SSD lasts longer, you don't have to worry about deleting stuff every time you install a program, developers can make increasingly complex software that can do more (like store the dataset for a large language model like gpt4), and the storage manufacturer goes to the bank. Everybody wins.
@Jenna Pepper
I suppose there's also external hard drives, which is what the 50GB drive ended up becoming. For a minute there, I was thinking you couldn't swap out the hard drive in a Mac, but I guess it's the Ram chips you can't change out anymore. That seems like one solution for the situation: a giant hard drive.
Mac storage
The only current Mac with upgradeable storage and RAM nowadays is the Mac Pro. The Mac Studio has internal SSD connectors, but the memory is not user-upgradeable thanks to Apple nanny-stating the hardware and locking everything down with component serialization and cryptographic pairing. Older Macs, such as pre-m1 iMacs used a Sata storage drive, so you could upgrade those as long as you were willing to crack the iMac open and deal with the exposed power supply. This is how several iMacs that shipped with hard drives ended up with SSDs. You did need to add a temperature probe, otherwise the fans would spin at full speed forever, but that was relatively minor. Sadly, all the MacBooks that have been shipping for years now, along with the m-series iMacs, and Mac Mini have had soldered memory chips and controllers with encryption keys paired to the T2 chip in Intel Macs and the CPU in m-series Macs. This means if those keys are lost due to hardware failure, you would lose your data forever and not even Apple could retrieve it.
You could upgrade the RAM for quite a while longer on the iMac and Mac Mini (the MacBooks have had soldered RAM chips for ages), but this is no more on anything with an m-series chip because the RAM is integrated directly onto the SOC.
So yeah, nowadays, your only real option is to pony up 5 grand for a cheese grater or to go out and buy an external drive like the Samsung t5 and hook it up over USB 3.2 gen2x2 electric boogaloo uwu (what was the USB IF thinking with that name lol)
Re: Mac storage
I don't like that, and am adding it to the list of reasons I don't want to dabble in Mac. On the other hand, I keep buying a new iPhone every several years, and it can't be upgraded in any way. At least I have been able to connect external drives since a few IOS versions back, even though I have to use exFAT, which makes it a pain to resolve some of the file names from ext4 on my other computer.