Thanks to Europe, Asahi linux with wayland and gnome about to become usable for blind

Does mate work with wayland? Would it share all the improvements made to gnome? Like so far it's just usable and it wasn't in October last year. Yes VO is really bad on the web. I don't want to break anything.
This wayland x11 thing is very confusing, I saw during update that it was getting some x-wayland things or something... Plus it's my first time to be outside debian/ubuntu roots for package management so I'm learning that at the same time. But we have something now! Thanks to the government, literally. If kde-connect can work on gnome I'll try it. And emacs+emacspeak. And libreoffice and Calibre. ... :) and I'll ask on those lists how best report accessibility bugs there.

OMG Tables work well in LibreOffice Writer as well as formatting. This is wild guys. I mean with my testing currently.

Back on mac (stable) now, there are known obvious problem with proper battery/power management which I was expecting, like I plugged my mac for 2-3 hours and it was stuck at 62% in asahi and when I just rebooted on mac it's at 90%. Today it didn't even get hot at all, and I learned how to navigate in the new gnome, their shortcuts list is very helpful.
I will keep testing this thing, now it's... did I say it's very interesting? :)
Also when you install this with gnome, I don't know what happen but I was stuck on the timezone selection dialog, Orca didn't see anything other than the edit field to type a city and the previous button, I had to do random things with my trackpad and be lucky enough to get the next button after that.
Did I say tables in Writer, just because of the lack of nested hierarchy, are almost a fun experience? Caps lock + f give so much richer information than even nvda on windows, both in writer and even on the web.
Of course I haven't done anything production/serious on it yet, but I really wasn't expecting that much usability. Last time I had a good time with linux accessibility was in 2018 where x11 was still around, I mean more than today.
And orca is much much faster than VoiceOver on mac has ever been, closer t o speakup in tty mode which I am really surprised about. Beating NVDA on most average windows config (the key word here is average).
And personally I do love espeak but will definitely buy from voxyn soon.
I didn't even know that orca let us choose to use the screen reader cursor thing on the web like it's common on windows or let the app manage it, so f7 in firefox for example, and there the focus even follows, which isn't the case on mac and in chrome this could solve so many problems at once.

Do we still have to enable accessibility flag for chromium and other apps now?

What no I used gnome shell and super menu and it works.

Maybe we're not talking about the same thing but I find gnome quite accessible and usable. It's not different than weird ui bugs with voiceover on mac. And gnome terminal is accessible too, with the things I've tried so far.

Yep that's exactly what I do.

Native, you didn't read asahi linux?
Yes it kills most ultra optimized windows I've seen in term of performance. Aside even vo even the m4 mac I recently tried is slower than this thing.
OMG guys google docs works so well! :) general navigation and formatting announcement, no weird delays like with voiceover on the mac, tried this on chromium cause chrome has problem with arm linux or something like that... or just asahi specifically I think it's there under broken software.
I've noticed though that it doesn't seem possible to select regular text with shift arrows with orca on chromium? But I just tried this 2 minutes.
I know from the gnome article that this was a problem back in 2024, but is it possible to still get to the scrollbar in gnome terminal and manually go back like we do on windows when using flat layout to read output? I discovered it's ctrl shift v to paste, how do we select? I haven't fully read orca guide yet.

Just to clarify guys, we're not saying it's ready to be used in production yet. There are weird behaviours/bugs here and there, but imo it's getting close to that very soon and probably already is if you're ready to debug yourself in some areas. Like I don't miss chrome os flex at all now that pure, modern and up to date linux seems to become an option again. There are weird things I avoid by muscle memory of someone who's already dealt with linux desktop accessibility in the past that I haven't covered here yet. But compared to the completely unusable mess it was with kde last year (and I mean it) I see myself switching to it for some key task while in college, google docs hopefully being a good example, and when possible coding.
As far as I know we can't yet attempt to get mathcat with orca though it's in the plan, for example.

Linux only and from what I understand I'll test this out but I'm pretty sure virtualizing windows in asahi could be a better experience than from mac.

Dear open source, seriously? Just when I was about to get the perfect workflow just right.
Thanks for posting this so at least one other random user can find it.
I wasn't following the mailing list recently, but now I seriously wonder if I should even bother learning emacs even on mac? (edit, it's definitely useful so I'll continue, plus this is yet another potential opportunity for me in the future)
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Anyways.

So 1password works great on linux, I didn't know that we can just use our session password as a method instead of the good old password (as touchid won't obviously work, you see?)

In the gnome shell prefferences, accessed with orca object navigation mode, enable always use scrollbar and you can use shift page up/down and then the usual flat review commands to read previous screen content.
Note that like voiceover but way less worst orca will sometime read from before the latest output, nothing a clear screan with ctrl l won't solve.
Now I just have to find how to select output from that flat review and it will just be awesome.

Calc is somewhat usable. We can't scroll in the suggested formula list, but orca announces cell coordinates and even when the cell shows a formula result.
Impress is the worst, we seem to be able to navigate with tab and shift tab within a slide object but we don't hear anything when navigating by slides.
I wasn't expecting anything so this is already great, with writer seeming to be the priority and actually being quite good.
I have connected one of my google account with gnome and now the drive sync works seamlessly (haven't tried the other services), something macos and windows really should take notes IMO.
VLC seems to works quite well.
For the productivity, I am amazed by google docs, just light editing, closer to chromevox, will definitely use asahi instead of mac during team work especially with the fine live region control orca seems to provide, so if you have any m1 or m2 (not greater) macs, the potential accessibility landscape is finally getting really interesting.
The document viewer, if this is the only options for pdf, forget it :) but again I wasn't expecting anything. Will test with firefox if it can render table even there, chromium has a problem with this, as well as formatting for the screen reader being flat across all platforms.
The battery indicator is broken it doesn't refresh live, but it will tell you when the real battery level is around 6% still so that's good, plus with system reboots it gets the latest percentage. I knew this was a known issue beforehand, so 0 problem for me personally.
We have sounds when we plug in something, whether it's the charging cable (sb c) or a hard drive, thank you gnome for that.
This, aside the documented issue on github about orca unable to get the accessibility information after reload, is even more stable than the most stable vinux 4 distro I've ever tried in the past, love it.
Now I am trying to get fenrir work.