Gestures for rotor and braille screen input in iOS 18

Let me try to explain, Bsi in iOS18 has 2 modes you can switch by swiping 3 fingers left to right, or right to left.
To manage the rotor, you enter BSI command mode, then press 6 and 5 dots for choosing a rotor option to the right, or 3 and 2 dots to choose one option backwards. I mean you switch from characters, words, lines, and so on - my advice is to take BSI away from rotor and use it with gestures. It's a double tap with 2 fingers, touching the top and bottom corners of the screen. Double tap enters edit mode, triple tap goes to command mode directly. But in command mode you could use the k, dots 1 and 3, to enter help mode and every tap tells you what to do.
Back to the rotor: I said, dots 3-2, rotor left. Dots 6-5, rotor right.
Then, to navigate through elements (the correspondant of up and down swipe) you press the 6 and 3 dots. Do you understand me?
But I think/hope someone can perform a better explanation than me. There are lots of commands now, let me say I almost totally control my phone and tablet this way.

If I am understanding you correctly, you want to reassign gestures while in BSI mode, correct?
Do the following:

1. Go to settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, commands.
2. On this screen, navigate down to braille screen input. Tap here.
3. You now have access to all of the braille screen input touch gestures. Modify as you please!

Hth.

Just to clarify, I think at the point when Jonathan says on Living Blindfully that he's swiping left and right with two fingers to navigate between headings, he isn't in BSI. He says quite early on in that episode that he doesn't get it to activate automatically as he's so often connected with his Mantis.

which leads me to a question I asked on another thread but that thread has so many comments it might have been lost: I really like BSI and I now have it activate automatically in text fields. The only context in which I wouldn't want it to do that is when I have my Brailliant connected, which I do from time to time but not by any means all the time. When the brailliant is connected but the iPhone set to BSI, the Brailliant appears to be overridden. Short of getting my phone out and dismissing BSI by hand, anyone any idea of a way round this behaviour? I suspect not, but wanted to check.

also, incidentally, not being that familiar with QuickNav, I notice that this appears to be available to us in BSI now. Does that mean I can use H for heading to navigate by heading, and similar?

Hey Bingo,

You may have to disable the auto mode of BSI for the time being, in order to get the results you want. Unless an activity could be made to get a similar outcome?

As for using two fingers to navigate headings, I’m not sure if this is what you are talking about, but I have my normal voiceover swipe gestures for two fingers set up as follows:
1. Two fingers up or down for previous and next heading navigation.
2. Two fingers left or right for previous and next control.

HTH.

Thanks brian. I think it was the initial poster talking about headings rather than I. yeah I know I called my previous comment 'headings' so, a fortiori, must have been talking about headings, but I meant that only insofar as to clarify what Jonathan said about dear old headings on that podcast he did which is so long it's still going on. In terms of gestures I'm similar to you in any event. I have assigned two-finger swipe left to previous heading and two-finger swipe right to next heading.

Yes, I thought you would say the only way around my issue is to disable BSI. That doesn't really surprise me. I suppose in an ideal world I'd like a keystroke to be available to disable BSI, so I didn't have to get the phone out of my bag or pocket (where it normally would be happily sitting if I connect using a Braille display); but to have a keyboard command available, your iPhone has to be registering keystrokes from the keyboard in the first place, which it doesn't seem to when BSI is active. Oh well, I guess I shall have to remove the iPhone from my pocket specifically for that purpose before putting it away again. Talk about third world problems eh?

1. Go to Settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Commands.
2. Go to Touch Gestures.
3. Find the heading for 2 finger swipe.
4. Replace whatever it is set to, to use the rotor, i.e. 2 finger swipe left for previous rotor, etc.

HTH.

In that case, you could make the two finger swipe left and right for both VoiceOver and braille screen input do the same thing.
Just a suggestion. 😅

With braille screen input: command mode active, the rotor is literally just a single finger swipe up and down, and swipe left or right to choose the rotor action. Just wanted to also throw that out there. 😇

I think the problem here is a misunderstanding. The two-finger gesture in b-s-i is one thing, the two-finger gesture out of it is another. In other words, you can set Voiceover to use two-finger swipes left and right for the rotor and this won't have any effect on b-s-i at all. They don't conflict.

The Touch commands and the BSI commands are totally separate. So by changing the 2 finger swipe touch gesture, will not have any effect on the BSI 2 finger swipe.
I know this because I have my 2 finger swipe touch command set to go to home screen and app switcher, and the BSI 2 finger swipe still either deletes previous word or goes to next line.