I'm wondering about how easy it is for a totally blind person to add an identification card to the Apple Wallet. I'm assuming it has to be lined up exactly in a frame and right side up on the, screen, then the iPhone takes a picture. Just part of considering whether I should or should not put ID on my iPhone, and whether it is even possible on my own.
I'm not having luck with searching for this on the forum or Google, though I'm sure there have been threads, and perhaps it has also changed with new updates to iOS.
* End Result: It's possible, but not easy or pleasant.
By OldBear, 6 December, 2024
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States
If you are in the US you need to check if your state does it. If you are not part of the those states, do not think people will accept it.
Add manually
Certainly in the UK if you can't line up your card you can add manually. Works perfectly well with Vo and is totally accessible.
@Holger Fiallo
Yes. That is possible in my state. I'm mostly asking about the physical process of adding the ID card to the Apple Wallet, and whether a totally blind person can add it easily without a sighted person being involved. Most of what I've read says one must follow the instructions on the screen, but not what those instructions might be, like line the card up in a rectangle on the screen.
@Lee
Could you describe a little about adding it manually? Like does VO give you instructions on lining it up and whether it is upside down etc? Perhaps I need to clarify, this is a photo ID.
Aah sorry
I meant adding details. So, like a credit card adding the date and long card number etc. Never actually tried with photo id or using the camera. Might be worth giving it a go and letting us know how it went as you've got me curious now.
I understand
If I decide to add it, I will report on the process. I'm still thinking about whether it is a good idea to have it on my phone or not.
OldBear
Well if you travel alot or people keep asking you for it. In bars and places like that when you want to get a drink.
Holger Fiallo
I do live in a state where it's best to always have ID with you. You have to unlock your iPhone to access the ID in Apple Wallet. On one hand, that is a really good thing in most cases. On the other hand, unlocking your phone in some situations is not a good idea. I suppose having it in your Apple Wallet doesn't mean you have to use it in those situations, or only have it as a backup for emergencies.
Having to unlock your phone
Just a note: Sometimes I too feel uncomfortable about unlocking my phone and handing it to someone else.
Fortunately one of the new features in iOS 18 is the ability to keep apps locked until you unlock the app with face ID. You can set this on an app by app basis.
So, for example, I have my Mail app set up to only open with face ID. That way if I hand my unlocked phone to someone, they can't open the Mail app.
Nice feature and handy for keeping some apps a bit safer.
--Pete
ID card
Well people you don't feel uncomfortable giving your ID to someone to see? Same thing, just show them the phone, you do not need to give them if you do not, they can see the picture and see you.
Um, what's wrong with cash?
So OK. Cash and phone. Both can be taken from me. Phone unlocked can be taken from me. Cash will have a known amount when handed over; can phone amount be changed after being unlocked and handed over? Also, everyone knows or believes I have cash. No one suspects a blind person like me has a touch screen phone.
And then there's traveler's checks. Remember those? Are they still around? They were a pretty good idea back in the early 70's when I traveled around for two years.
smile. But we all still want to use new gimmicks and gizmos anyway, don't we?
Joy!
Bruce
Colorado
Here in the Rocky Mountain state, we have an app called MyColorado. To use it, the place I need to present my ID to must support the app. If they do, I need to pull out my cell phone, launch the My Colorado app, find the button to share my ID, and select it. Then I need to point the iPhone camera at wherever this business or organization decided to post their My Colorado QR code.
Or I could just take my ID out of my physical wallet and hand it to them. Which one do you think I do? LOL.
I didn't even know it was possible to put my ID in the Wallet app. Let me know how it works for you.
Um...
There's nothing wrong with cash.
A phone can be taken away after being unlocked. But, like I said, it might just be there for an emergency backup. Just pondering it.
adding state ID
I was never able to get this to work. It's supported in my state, and I was able to add my state ID card, but afterwards, you have to do a whole bunch of facial expressions and things, and even with sighted assistance, I never had any luck getting it to work. I've given up for the time being.
My State
It sounds like the only thing you do in my state is scan the front and back of the card, which would have your picture, and it doesn't involve making faces. I'm just not sure how picky the scan is about placement of the card. I rarely have sighted help.
I'm going to get one of the new travel ID cards, if I can manage to get all the correct documents together and also get to the place where you do that. I don't plan on ever having to fly anywhere again, but if it comes up, it might be easier with the TSA... or not.
It just occurred to me that when they mail the new card to me, if I am very attentive, I can figure out the right side up and front and back from the placement in the letter. Assuming it's not just tossed in there. There's other ways, like by covering the top or bottom half and using seeing AI, but that can be tedious. That would just leave getting it in the right placement for the scan, if it has to be in a frame of the screen to work.
Do you mean the Gold Star?
I am pretty sure we all have to do that by May of next year, or is it March, if we silly Americans want to be able to fly. Like ever.
Yes
That's the ID I'm preparing to apply for when I have my papers in order and transportation arranged to the appropriate site. I hope to get this done before the end of the year, but yes, May is the supposed date of enforcement, or compliance, what ever the terminology they use is.
I have no idea what travel I might need to do in the future, and I'd much rather be prepared than stuck. However, the one that concerns me in the back of my mind is federal buildings, in particular, federal courts. You could get yourself in some major trouble, I suspect, if you were called to jury duty or had to appear, but the marshals decided you aren't allowed in the building, and the judge is in a mood that day. You can't assume reasonable exceptions would be given for having the wrong ID; being disabled, yes, but unprepared, no.
To be or not to be.
Well is simple those who need to do so, do so and let us know. It works or does not. We will wait for the answer. Il does not at this time.
A small step forward
I made it through the process of applying for the Travel ID. The Motor Vehicle Department people were remarkably helpful. Now, I wait for the actual card to arrive through the mail, and hope it does actually arrive at my address...
When I do receive it, I think I will attempt to scan it into my Apple Wallet, but only for a very last resort use case. There's some other digital stuff, like voter ID, that appear to be handled through something on-line, and I'm still trying to figure out how that works. I never realized how much I like having physical documents or cards that I can hand or show to sighted people, rather than fighting with my iPhone in a stressful and shaky-nervous situation, until I started this.
QR code
QR codeFor digital cards, they use it to scan the code. It was used for CoVID 19 in Il but never got it to work.
Consider me old-fashioned, but ...
I am much more comfortable handing over an ID card, then I am handing over my iPhone. No judgment here, just personal preference.
@Brian @Holger Fiallo
In some cases, I've heard it is not advisable to unlock your phone when it can be confiscated... But I'm sure that's just being paranoid...
I was also glad I still get print letters for assorted reasons because I had to bring those in to prove state residency. I had a whole stack of evidence, way more than I needed just in case, and I braille on the envelopes for my own reference. It went very smoothly.
As far as QR codes, I've never even tried to use one for anything. There was something about a QR code for a survey on one of the receipts I scanned a while ago from the MVD.
RE: QR codes
QR code these days, are quite easy to work with on an iPhone. We have at least two ways that I know of of interacting with them. You can open the camera app, let it detect the QR code, and then tap a button that will appear labeled something like "scan QR code". You can also add a scan codes shortcut to your control center, which is what I use. That one works like a charm, you double tap the button, and just point the back of your iPhone at the QR code in question, and voilà magic happens.
OldBear
Well in the past people stole data from card be it ID or other type of cards. It someone who suppose to be a trusted person in a store or whatever will do it. Does not make any difference if is iPhone or giving the person your card.
Holger Fiallo
Yes. Someone could steal your card or information from your card. They could not make a bunch of posts on your Facebook account with your card, or get your friends lists, contact lists. Who knows what else is on the phone? Who knows what they might take a picture of and post it everywhere under your name?
OldBear
They also can go to the web page and do search base on your info about who you interact. They do not need your phone to screw you if someone wants to do so. It just take a mean evil person to take the time and their you are screw.
The solution
Get rid of all of your cards. Destroy your iPhone. Get rid of all electronics. Start carrying a portable abacus around.
You're welcome.
Abacus
I have an abacus of which you speak, and a slate and stylus of which you do not speak. I also use them from time to time. An abacus has come in handy for very quickly recording a phone number now and then. I keep them in the backpack I lug around when I go places.
However, I also lug around the iPhone, a substantial charger-battery and a fistful of adapters and accessories. Also, about a half-gallon of water because you can't get blood out of a turnip in the desert.
Nickel plating
I remember my ex used to have a nickel plated slate and stylus. The slate was one of the heaviest I ever held. Could've also been used as a weapon, I swear.
Heavy Accessibility
Long, long ago at the blind school, I used to daydream about creating a lighter, smaller braille writer. I read somewhere they actually did, but I have the old, heavy Perkins, and I don't plan on taking out a home loan to buy another one... You might think, what is the point when you have those braille note takers, but you still need a braille printer, and you can't stick things like seed packets in a braille printer to label them directly. A mostly plastic slate and stylus fits the need at a small price, and I keep one in my gardening tool box.
Results
All right, I received my new ID then added it to my Apple Wallet. Voice Over did provide some very limited guidance in lining up the ID, then making facial expressions and other things.
A few difficulties: Voice Over will tell you to move the phone right or left or up or down. You will have to swipe through and read what the instructions are, then tap the continue or get started or try again button for the next step or to start the scan.
Voice Over will not give any usable details with the recognition or description features on the image presented of the ID when it is asking if the image has all the information needed. It did say it did not find a bar code a couple times when I scanned the back of the card. In the end, I just hoped for the best and slogged through the process, and it was ultimately verified by the state and added to my wallet. I also hope to never, ever be in a situation where I need to resort to using the phone ID, but only as the absolute, very, very, last resort, and that is the only reason I continued on to the end of the process without sighted help. I have no idea, even trying to get a meaningful description from VO of the ID displayed in the wallet, if it is acceptable to a sighted person. Plus, I had to take a picture of my face that was probably not under the best situation for verification with the state..., and I don't know if somehow this horrible picture is now displayed in the wallet, or if it was being looked at by AI in a state computer.
But ain't that life?
Bravo!
Bravo! Now share what you wrote with apple accessability. It’s perfec.
One thing I forgot
There is a part where you have to make facial expressions, like smiling and turning your head to the right. The iPhone gives haptic feedback, and possible auditory feedback when it is complete or it works.
As far as I can tell from some Google searches, the wallet only displays the ID, and not the horrible, early-morning picture you take of your face during the process. Not completely sure that is the case, but it seems likely. Voice Over description does not say there is a picture in addition to the card, just a vague description of the card. Am I supposed to expect better of VO description? I don't think there is any way to get that over to something like Seeing AI, but what do I know...
* A little more reading seems to indicate all the video and pictures you take in the process are deleted after the verification, and the ID might not even be displayed in the wallet because it is just a digital interaction between a reader and the phone. If that is true, I mean it's information off the internet after all, then maybe I can relax about it. In that case, you might not even be handing your phone to an officer or someone. The wallet must just be displaying some sort of state icon to represent the ID.
OldBear
Similar to face ID? Ask you to move head left or right or up or down. Does not ask you to smile.
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Double hiccup post.
Different States for Different Folks
Mine demanded that I smile at one point. I didn't smile for the ID card picture when they took it at the MVD because they didn't tell me to and I assumed it was frowned upon to do so for the photo ID like with a passport, so I'm not sure why it told me to smile.
Anyway, I have an SE with the fingerprint reader, and I don't have any experience with face ID procedures.
OldBear
Well maybe it saw a grumpy old bear? Just joking. take care and have a good Christmas.
Holger Fiallo
You have a good Christmas too.